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		<title>By: AndyB &#187; Pre-installing Linux</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-318044</link>
		<dc:creator>AndyB &#187; Pre-installing Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 05:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new Dell IdeaStorm site: Pre-installing Linux on retail machines. Today Mark Shuttleworth wrote an article on the difficulties/reasons Dell, and other resellers, may not want to Pre-install Linux. I feel a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: More on the Linux/Dell Thing &#171; Crooked Spoke</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-306698</link>
		<dc:creator>More on the Linux/Dell Thing &#171; Crooked Spoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] via Mark Shuttleworth, I find out that the Dell systems will have a choice of Ubuntu, Fedora, and OpenSUSE. I honestly [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Shuttleworth tackles Linux on commodity PCs &#124; Cyde Weys Musings</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-269203</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Shuttleworth tackles Linux on commodity PCs &#124; Cyde Weys Musings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shuttleworth, the financier behind Ubuntu (thanks Mark!) tackles the problem of Linux in a recent blog post. He points out that profit margins are very low on these products, and that co-marketing funds from [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shuttleworth, the financier behind Ubuntu (thanks Mark!) tackles the problem of Linux in a recent blog post. He points out that profit margins are very low on these products, and that co-marketing funds from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wren</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-202198</link>
		<dc:creator>wren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

few days ago I tried Innotek&#039;s VirtualBox fantastic Seamless Windowing Mode. I&#039;m still busy to get it running on my Ubuntu machine. 
But take a look at following use case:

Berta needs new Computer. She goes to the local computer dealer and checks what is available on the (consumer) market. Whats this? Why this Computer is 50 EUR cheaper than the same one nearby? There is a endless presentation movie running on the Computer. 

Ad text
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An Tux mascott tells:

Hi, how are are? My name is Tux. This machine is running Ubuntu Linux. You have ever heard about? No? It&#039;s the basic software translating one &amp; zero numbers to the computer. So, i.e. you are moving the mouse Ubuntu Linux is translating this to zero &amp; one numbers. Sounds difficult, isn&#039;t it? No worries! Ubuntu is doing this hidden for you perfectly. You don&#039;t have to operate the light switches yourself. Concentrate on what you really want: surfing on the Internet, writing office documents, online gaming and more. You know what I&#039;m talking about. Wanna using your good old applications on your new computer machine? No, problem. We can arrange this for you. You only need this old operating system CD-ROM you got delivered with your old computer. Just take a look.

If you start up the computer you are in front of you will see following:

[captured first time Ubuntu boot up]

[Ubuntu Welcome screen]

[Ubuntu first time user dialog. The (Innotek setup wizard pops up)]

Welcome on board. If you wanna use the applications from your old computer please insert the installation CD-ROM you got delivered with your old computer and press &quot;Next&quot; &quot;Abort&quot;.

[User inserts the CD-ROM]

[Innotek setup wizard: Thank you. I regognized a Microsoft Windows 98 setup installation media. Now, Ubuntu will create a such called virtual machine using the Innotek VirtualBox seamless windowing mode. By the end you will be capable to start your OLD applications on your NEW computer. Just take a look how you can work with this (-&gt; short Innotek VirtualBox seamless windowing mode presentation with a Internet browser, Office app and so on)]

[next]

Canonical takes no responsibility for the proper working of the Microsoft Windows 98 setup and the application you will install into this Virtual Machine. 

[ ] I don&#039;t accept. This will abort the virtual machines setup. You can repeat this setup later again using application &gt; virtual machine &gt; Innotek Virtual Box set up

[X] I accept. You will find your migrated application using the application &gt; migrated systems &gt; MS Windows 98

Ubuntu Linux - You don&#039;t have to operate the switches yourself!

The Virtual Machine will be set up and the Gnome desktop launches.

The end.

:D

regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>few days ago I tried Innotek&#8217;s VirtualBox fantastic Seamless Windowing Mode. I&#8217;m still busy to get it running on my Ubuntu machine.<br />
But take a look at following use case:</p>
<p>Berta needs new Computer. She goes to the local computer dealer and checks what is available on the (consumer) market. Whats this? Why this Computer is 50 EUR cheaper than the same one nearby? There is a endless presentation movie running on the Computer. </p>
<p>Ad text<br />
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<p>An Tux mascott tells:</p>
<p>Hi, how are are? My name is Tux. This machine is running Ubuntu Linux. You have ever heard about? No? It&#8217;s the basic software translating one &amp; zero numbers to the computer. So, i.e. you are moving the mouse Ubuntu Linux is translating this to zero &amp; one numbers. Sounds difficult, isn&#8217;t it? No worries! Ubuntu is doing this hidden for you perfectly. You don&#8217;t have to operate the light switches yourself. Concentrate on what you really want: surfing on the Internet, writing office documents, online gaming and more. You know what I&#8217;m talking about. Wanna using your good old applications on your new computer machine? No, problem. We can arrange this for you. You only need this old operating system CD-ROM you got delivered with your old computer. Just take a look.</p>
<p>If you start up the computer you are in front of you will see following:</p>
<p>[captured first time Ubuntu boot up]</p>
<p>[Ubuntu Welcome screen]</p>
<p>[Ubuntu first time user dialog. The (Innotek setup wizard pops up)]</p>
<p>Welcome on board. If you wanna use the applications from your old computer please insert the installation CD-ROM you got delivered with your old computer and press &#8220;Next&#8221; &#8220;Abort&#8221;.</p>
<p>[User inserts the CD-ROM]</p>
<p>[Innotek setup wizard: Thank you. I regognized a Microsoft Windows 98 setup installation media. Now, Ubuntu will create a such called virtual machine using the Innotek VirtualBox seamless windowing mode. By the end you will be capable to start your OLD applications on your NEW computer. Just take a look how you can work with this (-&gt; short Innotek VirtualBox seamless windowing mode presentation with a Internet browser, Office app and so on)]</p>
<p>[next]</p>
<p>Canonical takes no responsibility for the proper working of the Microsoft Windows 98 setup and the application you will install into this Virtual Machine. </p>
<p>[ ] I don&#8217;t accept. This will abort the virtual machines setup. You can repeat this setup later again using application &gt; virtual machine &gt; Innotek Virtual Box set up</p>
<p>[X] I accept. You will find your migrated application using the application &gt; migrated systems &gt; MS Windows 98</p>
<p>Ubuntu Linux &#8211; You don&#8217;t have to operate the switches yourself!</p>
<p>The Virtual Machine will be set up and the Gnome desktop launches.</p>
<p>The end.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Top Linux News &#187; Shuttleworth on pre-installing Linux</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-192081</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Linux News &#187; Shuttleworth on pre-installing Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jose_X</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-178206</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moulinneuf:

Your can of corn example is off the mark. Percentages are what matter most. I buy loads of cans of food yearly but less than one PC during that time.

Your estimates for what Dell makes on crapware might be too high.

I think Dell fell from grace with Microsoft and Intel, but I could be wrong. If they did, it explains why they are taking the &quot;risks&quot; with Linux.

Some more things to consider:

With Linux, Dell is in the driver&#039;s seat not Microsoft. Microsoft will have to pay to get their crippled trial versions of officeware, their browsers, etc, onto Dell PC&#039;s. Meanwhile Dell will take the lead over slow OEMs as they bundle DeLinux with DeLoffice and anything else they want. Dell will gain significantly in their balance of trade with Microsoft. And Dell will have deals with other vendors opened up to them that in the past Microsoft would frown upon. Also, over time, there will be plenty of crapware for Linux and other more interesting bundling. With improved technology, Dell might even have a system where they can afford to sell real estate space on the PC in a local fashion to tap into small businesses that only want limited coverage.

I think Dell is using the Linux faithful to fund their investments in Linux to get it to a level where they feel comfortable selling it to ma and pa. Dell is a newbie of sorts and they have a lot of tweaking to do and infrastructure to set up. By getting a jump on everyone else, they get the most beta testers plus the extra pocket change.

To the many others that want a bare PC:

Why does Dell care about installing Linux instead of just a certificate? Read the above. Dell has tremendous opportunities by seizing more control over the OS. How can they tap into most of the revenue streams with a bare PC? How can they provide their exclusive value services without an OS? Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moulinneuf:</p>
<p>Your can of corn example is off the mark. Percentages are what matter most. I buy loads of cans of food yearly but less than one PC during that time.</p>
<p>Your estimates for what Dell makes on crapware might be too high.</p>
<p>I think Dell fell from grace with Microsoft and Intel, but I could be wrong. If they did, it explains why they are taking the &#8220;risks&#8221; with Linux.</p>
<p>Some more things to consider:</p>
<p>With Linux, Dell is in the driver&#8217;s seat not Microsoft. Microsoft will have to pay to get their crippled trial versions of officeware, their browsers, etc, onto Dell PC&#8217;s. Meanwhile Dell will take the lead over slow OEMs as they bundle DeLinux with DeLoffice and anything else they want. Dell will gain significantly in their balance of trade with Microsoft. And Dell will have deals with other vendors opened up to them that in the past Microsoft would frown upon. Also, over time, there will be plenty of crapware for Linux and other more interesting bundling. With improved technology, Dell might even have a system where they can afford to sell real estate space on the PC in a local fashion to tap into small businesses that only want limited coverage.</p>
<p>I think Dell is using the Linux faithful to fund their investments in Linux to get it to a level where they feel comfortable selling it to ma and pa. Dell is a newbie of sorts and they have a lot of tweaking to do and infrastructure to set up. By getting a jump on everyone else, they get the most beta testers plus the extra pocket change.</p>
<p>To the many others that want a bare PC:</p>
<p>Why does Dell care about installing Linux instead of just a certificate? Read the above. Dell has tremendous opportunities by seizing more control over the OS. How can they tap into most of the revenue streams with a bare PC? How can they provide their exclusive value services without an OS? Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomasz Gorski</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-165411</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomasz Gorski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I’d be pretty happy if Dell were to offer ANY distro preinstalled. This is because I already rip the OS out and install my preferred distro. Except, as it stands, I need to worry about the hardware being incompatible with Linux. Dell needn’t care whether or not the Linux kernel supports the wireless chipset, or if a laptop reliably suspends. Windows is the only supported OS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I’d be pretty happy if Dell were to offer ANY distro preinstalled. This is because I already rip the OS out and install my preferred distro. Except, as it stands, I need to worry about the hardware being incompatible with Linux. Dell needn’t care whether or not the Linux kernel supports the wireless chipset, or if a laptop reliably suspends. Windows is the only supported OS</p>
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		<title>By: maccabi</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-148069</link>
		<dc:creator>maccabi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi mark,
After reading your blog &amp; most of the responses I hope i can add a bit of useful input into the discussion.
I recently installed Ubuntu - dual boot XP - in order get the taste of Linux.
I did it as a response to the ridiculous behavior of HP to my asking to get their new notebook  with XP instead of Vista, as my research revealed that Vista is too heavy on the basic notebook configuration.
My asking was replied with a big NO. from their P.O.V I have to use Vista. 
NO WAY.
At this point I have to give credit where it&#039;s due, and admit that Microsoft did standardize the PC interface so now every user can operate the thing quite intuitively. you can argue that it&#039;s not always for the better,  and I can add that they made some very heavy money in the process, but this is something any operating system must take into account.
I will repeat in short what was written here -  adding that I use PC from the DOS era, but still wants:
An operating system with no fuss, in which I can first &amp; foremost connect to the net via WIFI, display my web pages with all the standard plug-ins, movie, sound, flash ecs. listen to any format of sound. watch any format of movie. display &amp; edit my picture and video. have Open Office. connect to Palm, and if you&#039;re nice Pocket PC. burn Cd&#039;s &amp; DVDs
And I AM WILLING TO PAY FOR IT as long as the distributor is capable of giving me that with a bit of support, and probably, so are many more who are fed up with Microsoft greedy fingers.
Now to my ideas - some where suggested by other as well. 
Canonical should assemble a line of both notebook &amp; media computer based on Ubuntu.
Buy the components form manufactures that have the right drivers for the OS.  I&#039;ve heard of Dell &amp; Lenovo selling Ubuntu ready notebooks. they must be able to do all that I mentioned above, as well as Asus Eee which is my favorite.
Connecting to the net and providing some kind of a diagnostic tool to check the hardware so it installs any additional software to make the system work smoothly is also a must.
The timing is right, the market is ripe, we are all waiting for the substitute. 
Liked the idea about Richard Branson.
Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi mark,<br />
After reading your blog &amp; most of the responses I hope i can add a bit of useful input into the discussion.<br />
I recently installed Ubuntu &#8211; dual boot XP &#8211; in order get the taste of Linux.<br />
I did it as a response to the ridiculous behavior of HP to my asking to get their new notebook  with XP instead of Vista, as my research revealed that Vista is too heavy on the basic notebook configuration.<br />
My asking was replied with a big NO. from their P.O.V I have to use Vista.<br />
NO WAY.<br />
At this point I have to give credit where it&#8217;s due, and admit that Microsoft did standardize the PC interface so now every user can operate the thing quite intuitively. you can argue that it&#8217;s not always for the better,  and I can add that they made some very heavy money in the process, but this is something any operating system must take into account.<br />
I will repeat in short what was written here &#8211;  adding that I use PC from the DOS era, but still wants:<br />
An operating system with no fuss, in which I can first &amp; foremost connect to the net via WIFI, display my web pages with all the standard plug-ins, movie, sound, flash ecs. listen to any format of sound. watch any format of movie. display &amp; edit my picture and video. have Open Office. connect to Palm, and if you&#8217;re nice Pocket PC. burn Cd&#8217;s &amp; DVDs<br />
And I AM WILLING TO PAY FOR IT as long as the distributor is capable of giving me that with a bit of support, and probably, so are many more who are fed up with Microsoft greedy fingers.<br />
Now to my ideas &#8211; some where suggested by other as well.<br />
Canonical should assemble a line of both notebook &amp; media computer based on Ubuntu.<br />
Buy the components form manufactures that have the right drivers for the OS.  I&#8217;ve heard of Dell &amp; Lenovo selling Ubuntu ready notebooks. they must be able to do all that I mentioned above, as well as Asus Eee which is my favorite.<br />
Connecting to the net and providing some kind of a diagnostic tool to check the hardware so it installs any additional software to make the system work smoothly is also a must.<br />
The timing is right, the market is ripe, we are all waiting for the substitute.<br />
Liked the idea about Richard Branson.<br />
Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: 三洋伺服</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-146237</link>
		<dc:creator>三洋伺服</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a nice post of Mark Shuttleworth explaining some of the factors why its so difficult to buy a Pre-installed Linux PC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a nice post of Mark Shuttleworth explaining some of the factors why its so difficult to buy a Pre-installed Linux PC</p>
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		<title>By: TBdO &#187; Brendan &#187; Revelation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Here Be Dragons</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/100/comment-page-4#comment-140215</link>
		<dc:creator>TBdO &#187; Brendan &#187; Revelation &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Here Be Dragons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sure she wouldn&#8217;t feel comfortable installing Windows herself, either, which illustrates why pre-installed Linux is such an important issue. At present, being able to use Linux has as a tacit prerequisite of [...]</description>
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