No negotiations with Microsoft in progress

Saturday, June 16th, 2007

There’s a rumour circulating that Ubuntu is in discussions with Microsoft aimed at an agreement along the lines they have concluded recently with Linspire, Xandros, Novell etc. Unfortunately, some speculation in the media (thoroughly and elegantly debunked in the blogosphere but not before the damage was done) posited that “Ubuntu might be next”.

For the record, let me state my position, and I think this is also roughly the position of Canonical and the Ubuntu Community Council though I haven’t caucused with the CC on this specifically.

We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements.

Allegations of “infringement of unspecified patents” carry no weight whatsoever. We don’t think they have any legal merit, and they are no incentive for us to work with Microsoft on any of the wonderful things we could do together. A promise by Microsoft not to sue for infringement of unspecified patents has no value at all and is not worth paying for. It does not protect users from the real risk of a patent suit from a pure-IP-holder (Microsoft itself is regularly found to violate such patents and regularly settles such suits). People who pay protection money for that promise are likely living in a false sense of security.

I welcome Microsoft’s stated commitment to interoperability between Linux and the Windows world – and believe Ubuntu will benefit fully from any investment made in that regard by Microsoft and its new partners, as that code will no doubt be free software and will no doubt be included in Ubuntu.

With regard to open standards on document formats, I have no confidence in Microsoft’s OpenXML specification to deliver a vibrant, competitive and healthy market of multiple implementations. I don’t believe that the specifications are good enough, nor that Microsoft will hold itself to the specification when it does not suit the company to do so. There is currently one implementation of the specification, and as far as I’m aware, Microsoft hasn’t even certified that their own Office12 completely implements OpenXML, or that OpenXML completely defines Office12′s behavior. The Open Document Format (ODF) specification is a much better, much cleaner and widely implemented specification that is already a global standard. I would invite Microsoft to participate in the OASIS Open Document Format working group, and to ensure that the existing import and export filters for Office12 to Open Document Format are improved and available as a standard option. Microsoft is already, I think, a member of OASIS. This would be a far more constructive open standard approach than OpenXML, which is merely a vague codification of current practice by one vendor.

In the past, we have surprised people with announcements of collaboration with companies like Sun, that have at one time or another been hostile to free software. I do believe that companies change their position, as they get new leadership and new management. And we should engage with companies that are committed to the values we hold dear, and disengage if they change their position again. While Sun has yet to fully deliver on its commitments to free software licensing for Java, I believe that commitment is still in place at the top.

I have no objections to working with Microsoft in ways that further the cause of free software, and I don’t rule out any collaboration with them, in the event that they adopt a position of constructive engagement with the free software community. It’s not useful to characterize any company as “intrinsically evil for all time”. But I don’t believe that the intent of the current round of agreements is supportive of free software, and in fact I don’t think it’s particularly in Microsoft’s interests to pursue this agenda either. In time, perhaps, they will come to see things that way too.

My goal is to carry free software forward as far as I can, and then to help others take the baton to carry it further. At Canonical, we believe that we can be successful and also make a huge contribution to that goal. In the Ubuntu community, we believe that the freedom in free software is what’s powerful, not the openness of the code. Our role is not to be the ideologues -in-chief of the movement, our role is to deliver the benefits of that freedom to the widest possible audience. We recognize the value in “good now to get perfect later” (today we require free apps, tomorrow free drivers too, and someday free firmware to be part of the default Ubuntu configuration) we always act in support of the goals of the free software community as we perceive them. All the deals announced so far strike me as “trinkets in exchange for air kisses”. Mua mua. No thanks.

309 comments:

  1. Mark: Ubuntu != Microsoft « Opera Omnia says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    [...] Qui trovate il post originale. [...]

  2. Christopher Denter says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    Thank you for taking the time to clarify your point of view here.
    regards

  3. Boycott Novell » Shuttleworth: No Microsoft Negotiations says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 4:39 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth has felt it necessary to respond to some of the speculation that Ubuntu, upon which Linspire is based, may be the next GNU/Linux distribution to make a deal with Microsoft under the pressure of unspecified patent infringement claims. For the record, let me state my position, and I think this is also roughly the position of Canonical and the Ubuntu Community Council though I haven’t caucused with the CC on this specifically. [...]

  4. » Shuttleworth nimmt Stellung says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 5:00 pm

    [...] In seinem Blog äußerte Shuttleworth nun seine Meinung, die seiner Auffassung nach auch die des Ubuntu Community Council und der Firma Canonical ist. Auch sagt er, dass er mit dem Ubuntu Community Council darüber noch garnicht gesprochen habe. Unmissverständlich schreibt Shuttleworth: [...]

  5. Walther Zwart says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 5:06 pm

    Great to hear this from you.

    Let’s not pay too much attention to what SVN has to say. He seems to misunderstand Debian and Ubuntu a lot.

    Now if only more companies would realize that Free Software and Free Standards can be in their own advantage and are always in the advantage of the end user. I’m glad some companies see this already (Sun, Intel).

  6. McKinney says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

    Thank you Mark.

  7. Ferdinand says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 5:45 pm

    How about Canonicals deal with Linspire and the recent deal Linspire made with Microsoft?

    Mark Shuttleworth says:

    It’s likely that Ubuntu users will still get the option to use CNR if they want to. We won’t make CNR a default platform in Ubuntu, but we recognize that user choice is important and it’s not our style to take a punitive position towards derivatives of Ubuntu – they exist to meet specific users needs that we don’t meet, and we exist to provide a platform for our own values. So while I differ deeply from Linspire’s stated position now, I respect their right to choose their own path.

  8. Marcelo Barros says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 5:51 pm

    Your clear positioning and points of view are thinks that make me adept of Ubuntu Community and keep my enthusiasm high. In time: very cool post title !

  9. Não há negociações em progresso com a Microsoft « asf@web says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:04 pm

    [...] Fonte: No negotiations with Microsoft in progress – Mark Shuttleworth [...]

  10. Rivera says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    Way to go, Mark!

  11. tuxmaniac’s blog » Blog Archive » Leader confirms finally :-) says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    [...] More here at Mark Shuttleworth’s blogpost. [...]

  12. cantormath says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:13 pm

    I really believe that Microsoft’s end game is to stop the everyday person from using Linux, period. The restrictions recently made on compiling applications in GCC having memory limited to 32mb in Windows Vista is just the latest reminder.

    I believe the community’s time would be better spent in making Linux an even better server and desktop environment and in extending Linux to work better, or completely, on all popular hardware. In short, the deals with linux should be with the hardware companies. I think the lack of BIOS support is a bigger issue then any deal that could be made with Microsoft. Helping the Linux community with the momentum we have now is no benefit for Microsoft. Our religious differences are polar opposites.

    Bottom line, I am one of those people that believes the Linux community is scaring Microsoft with its growth in the desktop world and that the community should keep on scaring them, No deals. Even if the patents were real, we would not stop doing what were are doing.

  13. Vincent says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    Glad to see that you, too, consider these patent claims no threat. As McKinney said: thank you.

  14. mapleoin says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    Indeed thank you for being an example!

  15. Ubuntu: No hay negociaciones con Microsoft : says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth, fundador de Ubuntu, señala en su blog hoy que a pesar de los rumores circulando al respecto, dado los recientes acuerdos de otras distribuciones de Linux (Linspire, Xandros, Novell, etc) que Ubuntu ha rechazado a discutir cualquier acuerdo con Microsoft bajo la amenaza de violación de patentes. Mark señala que dichas alegaciones no tienen ningún mérito legal, y no sirven como motivo para colaborar con Microsoft. Una promesa por parte de Microsoft de sugeridad para evitar la posible violación de patentes no tiene valor alguno, y no vale la pena pagarlo. En realidad, Mark comenta, que no protegen al usuario si una violación ocurre, y aquellos que pagan solo obtienen un seguro incierto. Mark aplaude al menos los comentarios públicos de Microsoft en respecto a la interoperablidad entre Linux y Windows; en lo que se refiere al formato de documentos, Mark no tiene confianza en el formato OpenXML de Microsoft: las especificaciones del formato no están completas, y la propia versión de Office 12 no ha sido certificada por la propia Microsoft como válida. El formato ODF es mejor, y de hecho, un estándard global dada su adopción universal. A veces Ubuntu ha sorprendido a la comunidad al anunciar acuerdos con empresas como Sun, que aunque no acceptaran el modelo GPL al principio, debido a cambios de administración o dirección, ahora si lo acceptan (aunque todavía se espera la licencia de Java a este modelo, según Shuttleworth señala). Por lo tanto Shuttleworth no objeciona a una colaboración con Microsoft que promocione el software libre, y que caracterizarlos como “demonios por naturaleza” no es constructivo. Pero Shuttleworth no cree que esta último intento de Microsoft ayude a dicho propósito. Shuttleworth permanece en su interés a “llevar el software libre tan lejos como pueda”…”Todos los acuerdos (de Microsoft) me parece un cambio de cachivaches por besos en el aire. Mua Mua, No, gracias”. [...]

  16. Mark Shuttleworth: No negotiations with Microsoft « Veronica’s Lore says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:44 pm

    [...] June 16th, 2007 [link][more] [...]

  17. Scott says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:51 pm

    Excellent! And thank you as well!

    “The first product that Microsoft makes that doesn’t suck will be when they try to make a vacuum cleaner.”

  18. Miles says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 6:58 pm

    Thanks, Mark.

  19. Nella tela del ragno fatta di FUD e interoperabilità by Microsoft « O.S. Revolution says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    [...] No negotiations with Microsoft in progress [...]

  20. McKinney says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:16 pm

    cantormath> it is not the end user microsoft is making money with. they make money with company licenses and support. i think it does not bother them if you or me use linux. what scares M$ is that more and more BIG clients are using linux. so they try to shed fear with their statements. and unfortunately it is working. without their claims they would not make a cent with linux from novell, xandros or linspire.

  21. McKinney says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:19 pm

    spread fear of course ^^

  22. G Morgan says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:20 pm

    Nice to hear though personally I don’t think it was ever in doubt. Even if we did not trust Mark on this (which I personally do) it has to be recognised that Ubuntu is tied very closely to it’s community. This is a large reason for it’s current success* and Mark and Canonical are to be applauded for their efforts allowing it to happen. Given the importance of the community and how people have responded elsewhere to these deals (tumble weed and ghost towns comes to mind) it would be suicide to make such a deal. Hence even if Canonical were ‘evil’ it would be disastrous to make such a move.

    Some of the comments I have seen and heard recently are starting to sound of McCarthyism. Basically the rumours around ‘Ubuntu being next’ were due to a quote ‘I’d love to work with Microsoft’ taken entirely out of context, the fact Linspire is now based upon Ubuntu (huh, Free software anyone?) and that CnR will soon run on Ubuntu (which is largely a Linspire business venture in any case). The first one is a blatant distortion and the last two seem like something that Linspire would have done anyway and there would be no benefit to Ubuntu in resisting that. This ‘Who can shout Communist the loudest’ trend is worrying and hopefully is something that will die down once the reality of the situation becomes more clear.

    *I’m not sure I can remember many such grass roots movements get this far this fast. 8m users practically from word of mouth. Exceptional.

  23. PiManx says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:26 pm

    Mark, this is one of the best announcements on your behalf for a long time. It’s a relief – no less!

  24. Scott Carpenter says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:32 pm

    Thank you, Mark. I appreciate your commitment to software freedom. I’m finally getting away from Windows and am really enjoying using and learning Ubuntu/GNU/Linux. Based on your past statements and Ubuntu/Canonical positions, I wasn’t really worried about Ubuntu signing one of these bogus deals, but I thought about how much of a pain it would be to have to switch so soon after finally wading in. It’s good to see a clear statement against this gorilla dust.

  25. tenshu says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    Thank you for protecting us from their big mouse trap

    Thank you for helping spreading the love

  26. stefan.waidele.info » Kein Deal zwischen Microsoft und Ubuntu/Canonical says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:33 pm

    [...] Schön, dass das nun auch gesagt ist. MyBlog, Linux, Freedom [...]

  27. speedygeo says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:41 pm

    Dear Mark,
    do you want to tell us Canonical and Ubuntu don’t support the open source movement, but only the free software?
    Do you want to clarify this issue?
    Thanks for your works, an excellent work!!

  28. leif says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:44 pm

    Thank you for making that clear!

    Though I switched back to debian for the ppc support, i’m very glad to hear ubuntu is still under sane leadership.

  29. Jan Stedehouder says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 7:48 pm

    I have no objections to working with Microsoft in ways that further the cause of free software, and I don’t rule out any collaboration with them, in the event that they adopt a position of constructive engagement with the free software community. It’s not useful to characterize any company as “intrinsically evil for all time”. But I don’t believe that the intent of the current round of agreements is supportive of free software, and in fact I don’t think it’s particularly in Microsoft’s interests to pursue this agenda either. In time, perhaps, they will come to see things that way too.

    Thank you for a balanced and clear position on the issue of a possible partnership with Microsoft. Personally I think two other companies might be next on the list and Ubuntu wasn’t on that list

  30. paul says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 8:00 pm

    MS has lost the leadership of Desktop OS from the technical point of view a few years ago. They have never done anything good for the server side. People slowly start to understand how bad MS products are and how good alernatives can be but i is now too late for Microsoft to do anything better. Their OS is defective by design, fixing it would probably mean a lot of work and a lot of angry customers. Now the only way to keep control over the market is therfore not to fight on the technical field but on the legal field. Thank you mark for not playing that game.

  31. Phlogistique says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 8:05 pm

    This is great, thanks!

  32. Weeber says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 8:26 pm

    I knew you would make the right choice in this ‘MS deals’ drama.

  33. Luis Figueras says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 8:45 pm

    Thank you very much, Mark.

    I am waiting for the collaborative version with the team of gNewSense.

    An Ubuntu user (# 14413) from Barcelona.

  34. cojines e informática :: Ubuntu no firmará con Microsoft :: June :: 2007 says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 8:52 pm

    [...] Lo asegura Mark Shuttleworth en su blog, el fundador de Canonical Ltd, empresa destinada a dar soporte comercial a Ubuntu que el mismo financia. [...]

  35. Shuttleworth responds to Microsoft/Ubuntu rumors « A Conservative Techie says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    [...] responds to Microsoft/Ubuntu rumors Jump to Comments For some reason there has been a rumor of an agreement a la Novel/Microsoft or MS and Xandros,featuring MS and Ubuntu. It appears that someone took a quote out of context when searching Shuttleworth quotes. Mark thinks it would be great to work with Microsoft in a way that would promote both freedom and interop, not in a way that provide patent indeminification. The good news is the Ubuntu community has debunked the rumors and stories floating around the blogsphere. This post is perhaps one of the best, in fact it is the one Mark quotes in his blog entry responding to the actual criticism and the rumor. [...]

  36. marplatense says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 9:06 pm

    Thanks, Mark. Glad to hear it directly from you.

  37. Mark Wielaard says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 9:23 pm

    Hi Mark,

    You say: “While Sun has yet to fully deliver on its commitments to free software licensing for Java, I believe that commitment is still in place at the top.”

    Sun did deliver on Java Liberation Day (November 13, 2006) the hotspot runtime and the javac compiler and at their last JavaOne event (May 8, 2007) almost all of the core class libraries under the GPL. The parts not released yet are mainly parts that their “partners” don’t allow them to release freely. But the community already started on replacement and produced a fully free bootstrappable java environment based on OpenJDK and parts of GNU Classpath build with GCJ http://icedtea.classpath.org/

    Is there anything more you want to see them deliver? Can Canonical/Ubuntu help with IcedTea/OpenJDK and/or the further liberation of Java?

    Cheers,

    Mark

    Mark Shuttleworth says:

    Yes, I do believe Sun is on track to complete the process, and I did not mean to imply any bad faith in saying that they have yet to deliver. I think we can consider the process done when Glassfish, Netbeans, and other Java-based components that depend on the JVM can move into our “main” component, and we’re not there yet.

  38. Martin says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 9:25 pm

    Thank you Mark.

  39. Really? says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 9:36 pm

    Cantormath, do you REALLY think Microsoft deliberately applied the restriction JUST to stop GCC from working with > 32 MB of RAM? Really?

    Facts:

    1. He was compiling an MS-DOS app. MS-DOS. That too with 4-5 year old stuff. It’s a surprise MS-DOS apps are supported by Vista at all.
    What’s the big deal in using the Win32 API anyway? As someone on reddit said, statically link to them if there is a free/non free problem.
    Then he rants about how it worked perfectly in earlier versions of Windows. Well, tough luck, but later versions of software do gradually drop support for deprecated stuff. MS-DOS has been deprecated for years.

    http://programming.reddit.com/info/1e1vn/comments/c1e4sy

    2. The restriction was there since Windows Server 2003. You may be aware that Vista is based on it. So this isn’t NEW in Vista.

    3. The person (at least earlier) wrote the OS as “W*ndows V*sta”, and the vendor as “M*crosoft”. From what I understand, it’s his one man crusade against trademarks or something.
    He also blocks ALL IPs from M*crosoft..err..Microsoft, shows them a 403.
    He put in some entirely unrelated arguments on that page of his: http://www.trnicely.net/misc/vista.html (what does one version of Nero not working in Vista have to even do with this?) It seems like he wants to slam Vista for the sake of slamming it.
    These actions portray him more as a clueless nutcase than anything else.

    I realise he was the one who discovered the Pentium bug; that, however, does not grant him a perpetual licence to portray something as something entirely different.

  40. DC@DR says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 9:42 pm

    Thanks, Mark. You made my day! :-)

  41. Jos van den Oever says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 9:49 pm

    This statement is a great moral support for the Free Software community. It is good to emphasize the ideals of the community and the reasons why we are working on free software at all. I’m very impressed with the commitment and daring you in particular and Canonical as a company (if they come to an official press release with this position) have shown in supporting the ideals and interests of all computer users out there.

  42. Luis Figueras says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 10:07 pm

    Thank you very much, Mark.

    An Ubuntu user from Barcelona.

  43. Mark Shuttleworth » No negotiations with Microsoft in progress « Microwave Biscuit says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 10:09 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth » No negotiations with Microsoft in progress Via: Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » No negotiations with Microsoft in progress [...]

  44. M says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pm

    One more stupid who things ODF is beter… LOL

  45. M says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 10:16 pm

    thinks*, better*

    Mark Shuttleworth says:

    Yes, I do think ODF is better. And I think you made your own true point rather eloquently yourself. Thank you.

  46. Aaron Toponce » Blog Archive » Our Leader Responds says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:01 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth firmly places his stance on Microsoft and supposed patent infringement. [...]

  47. Anand Kumria says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:11 pm

    We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements.

    Which merely means you are discussing an agreement with Microsoft where they have identified particular patent infringement then.

    Why not categorially state you are not discussing anything with Microsoft at this time. That would have been cleaner.

    Mark Shuttleworth says:

    Because it would create the impression that I would never speak with Microsoft, and that’s just not true. I have friends who work there, for a start, and I’m open minded to collaboration on terms and goals that I think are constructive for free software. I went to some lengths to explain that I think it is better for us to hold our values out clearly, and encourage others to embrace them too, regardless of their past positions.

    Microsoft representatives have asked if Ubuntu would engage on the issues that have apparently driven their other announced deals. I said that we had no interest in discussing terms driven by allegations of patent infringement without details of the patents in question. And that killed the thread, so to speak. But if Microsoft publishes details of patents, then ALL OF US in the free software community are obliged to engage with Microsoft. The law is the law, and we would be doing our users in the USA a disservice if we did not take steps to work around the patents in question, or obtain Microsoft’s permission, or have the patents invalidated.

    So you should assume that I have an open door to Microsoft. I laid out the goals to which I, Canonical and Ubuntu are working, and hope that people will trust that all conversations we have with other entities – from Debian to Sun and Microsoft and IBM, are aimed at furthering those goals.

  48. prakash sankar says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:14 pm

    lets aim for the sky.

    meet mac os x standards,ignore MS for now

    we have a long way to go …lets focus

  49. anon says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:25 pm

    To clarify, Microsoft did approach Canonical or related organizations right?

    > I have no objections to working with Microsoft in ways that further the cause of free software,

    Just make sure to count your fingers after you shake on it.

  50. Marqus Ramsey says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    I don’t understand. What do you have to loose? It would appear that your fear of patent infringement is real and that you’re letting everybody else “test the waters”.

  51. Cody Brocious says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:34 pm

    @ cantormath

    As someone who has worked on Win32 API replacements and worked with Windows internals for years, I can say that the claims that Vista is in any way restricting the RAM use of such applications are complete BS. GCC is using APIs which have been deprecated for many years and expecting them to continue working, despite that everyone’s been telling them the opposite. If they simply change their memory routines to use the proper functions (HeapAlloc and its cohorts) everything will work just fine. This is what happens when you’re too stubborn to change to the right functions.

    Sorry, the GCC devs are at fault there, not MS.

    - Cody

  52. Shuttleworth: no negotiations with Microsoft in progress | Server software says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:43 pm

    [...] Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth has posted a message stating the Ubuntu is not discussing patent deals with Microsoft. “Allegations of ‘infringement of unspecified patents’ carry no weight whatsoever. We don’t think they have any legal merit, and they are no incentive for us to work with Microsoft on any of the wonderful things we could do together. A promise by Microsoft not to sue for infringement of unspecified patents has no value at all and is not worth paying for. It does not protect users from the real risk of a patent suit from a pure-IP-holder (Microsoft itself is regularly found to violate such patents and regularly settles such suits). People who pay protection money for that promise are likely living in a false sense of security.” 17 Jun 07 | Source link | Linux | | On Server Also: [...]

  53. eolo999 says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:44 pm

    Mark. Good news from you. It is not an easy matter. For none of us. You represent “something” in our community, and most of the time you are able to keep the “balance”. Microsoft is not a danger till it attacks directly, we are more then Linspire, Xandros or Novell, … We participate in a different environment. They all should thanks us for our job… Free is not gratis, money is not devil, but the model of linux cannot be sinked by any kind of commercial agreement. Without being ideological and simply being rational, it is a different way to conceive technology and society. The future of our sons and daughters, and much more.
    I call this moment “the after Windows era”, or in other words “the Free Software Era”.
    Go ahead all.
    Do not get afraid about giants falling, they are just noisy.
    And really thanks to you, people from the Linux world, with all your different ideas, for your efforts…
    edoardo batini

  54. arbulus says: (permalink)
    June 16th, 2007 at 11:52 pm

    Thanks Mark. I’m really glad to read this. I agree with you 100%. I was actually talking about the Xandros and Linspire deals just before I saw your post. Reading your post really gave me a great sense of pride to be an Ubuntu user.

  55. Tony Agudo says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:07 am

    Allegations of “infringement of unspecified patents” carry no weight whatsoever.

    Mark, I believe you’ve stated your position(and that of the FOSS community) perfectly. Bantering around “you’re infringing patents, but we won’t say which” serves no role in enabling interoperability. I certainly hope Microsoft comes around and stops going around with an open right hand(interop) and a fist in the other(patent threats).

    And BTW, I do recall that Microsoft certainly IS a member of OASIS.

  56. cantormath says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:09 am

    McKinney> Perception is everything. Microsoft realizes this. If people use Linux at home, they loose some fear, uncertainty and doubt about Linux, which can lead to changes in their business decisions. Remember the FUD isn’t just being spread to the business owners, its being spread to everyone, its on the news and all over the Internet. FUD is targeting everyone who does not know about Linux. I think Desktop Linux use holds more weight long term then you give it credit and can be a great advantage to the community.

  57. Matthew Lenz says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:13 am

    Don’t do it Mark, please. These companies are doing this because they think it is going to help THEM, NOT the Linux community. I know you’ve invested a lot of time and money into Ubuntu but it is not worth harming Linux to turn a profit.

  58. Linuxiac says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:14 am

    Mark, your enterprise and that of Canonical in helping spread the joy and freedom of GNU/Linux and the most competent Free Open Source Software to the world is commended and appreciated. Thank you for also taking the proper stance concerning the mis-representations of multiple convicted felon pirate Microsoft Corporation.

    You are correct in your comments about multiple convicted felon Microsoft attempting to extort money from FOSS users, in another of their protection rackets.

    Having run *BSD, and GNU/Linux since 1997, I have the luxury of watching the MS Titanic grind on the ice bergs, this past decade, from a solid perch on an ever expanding, stable, secure, continent, that Microsoft denies even exists.

    One question, though. Was Steve Ballmer trying to arrange the deck chairs, in that famous chair tossing incident?
    Is it true that he carries on with those efforts?

    It’s OK if you don’t post this, I’ve been suspended three times on Yahoo Answers for suggesting FOSS solutions to serious Microsoft troubles, so it’s not like I don’t know that convicted felon Microsoft’s criminal tentacles reach far and wide.

  59. Kris says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:19 am

    Good thing. The other three have been tainted, in my opinion. Hopefully more will follow Ubuntu’s lead in that regard and refuse to bend over for MS.

  60. Alex says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:32 am

    Thank you Mark for doing what is right. Although, this seems to be in your nature!

    Microsoft like all companies will play down poor decisions of the past while making equally as futile efforts in the present. This inability to learn from others is what erodes them away. The arrogance and the sense that they don’t need to take a lesson isolates them.

    Despite all this, I still have concerns for free software and what dark ugly traps await us as people try to turn a dishonest profit. My hope is that you and others like you can help navigate the minefield of greed.

    (You may want to start by helping Dell fix their long standing customer service & product quality issues…It’s Ubuntu’s name that’s going out along with some of those machines now.)

  61. meneame.net says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:54 am

    Mark Shutleworth aclara que NO habrá acuerdos con microsoft sobre patentes…

    Ante los rumores que se propagan por internet, Mark Shuttleworth aclara en su blog que Ubuntu "ha declinado discutir cualquier acuerdo con Microsoft bajo la amenaza de infracciones de patentes", sumándose así a la opinión de la mayoría de…

  62. Kevin Moraga says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:58 am

    Thank you very much Mark, this clearly shows the Ubuntu community position.
    “My goal is to carry free software forward as far as I can”

  63. Tim Henderson says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 1:39 am

    Thanks Mark. Microsoft’s “nice software ya got there, be a shame if something happened to it” blather
    does little to promote interoperability and diminishes the positive contributions they’ve made and any
    that they might make in the future.

    Having just moved from CentOS I’ve not only been impressed with Ubuntu but I’ve helped many of
    my friends and family discover the power of Linux and the outstanding community around it.

    I still run CentOS on my servers but Ubuntu has proven (in my opinion) to be the Linux desktop distro
    that the power user has been waiting for and that the regular user can easily migrate to. It’s really made
    the difference in my presentation of Open Source solutions to management and is further proof that OO
    is more than ready for the enterprise.

    Personally, I believe an open world demands open source.

    Again my thanks to you and the entire community…

  64. Meneer R says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 1:46 am

    Thank you. At last we can sleep well tonight again!

  65. james says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 1:46 am

    Microsoft are putting them selfs in a award position, I hope someone calls there bluff.

  66. Jeff Parsons says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 2:18 am

    Thanks so much for clearing this this up. I dare say it was a great frustration for many seeing your words twisted as so many people have (so much so that I caved and posted on the topic myself), but this should certainly put an end to that!

    Do you think Microsoft might be simply lashing out in fear at this point? Think about it: if this is what the free software community can do with only somewhere between a reported 0.3% and 3% of desktop PCs running Linux, then at the current rate of growth, traditional software vendors such as Microsoft could become largely irrelevant within several years if they don’t adapt. I know I’d be scared!

  67. Patrick says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 2:28 am

    I’m very glad Canonical/Ubuntu will not conclude any contract with Microsoft, anytime soon. Being a relatively new member of the Linux community, I welcome the efforts Ubuntu & Mark Shuttleworth have made so far and would be very disappointed if Canonical would follow the recent trend like Xandros, Linspire and others have done. If Ubuntu were to collaborate with Microsoft I would change my distribution of choice to any other *free* distribution without doubt. Until now, I will follow the further development of Ubuntu and continue using it.

  68. Sean Tilley says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 2:59 am

    Hey, thanks for clearing that up, Mark. I think it’s really great what you’re doing with Ubuntu.

  69. MS is worried, with good foundation says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 3:23 am

    Few distributions are good:

    1. Ubuntu,
    2. Mandriva
    3. The rest

    Three distributions now don’t have my support and I will not use any of their products, under all circumstances.

    Suse, Xandros, Linspire.

    Like Caldera SCO before them, they are doomed, its only a matter of time.

    What these companies fail to see is that those of us who use Linux and promote Linux work in the IT field developing MS products. We are quiet aware that companies have legacy products and most want to stay put with Microsoft where possible. But day after day, Linux creeps in, one way or another, becoming the back bones of companies. We all support this, cause it makes business sense.

    The new windows Office Suite is an real alternative to Office 2007, it has a better cost and it has less compatibility issue. MS can keep vista at bay with Office 2007. Even at 20 dollars for Office 2007, they may keep as its to expensive to deploy and deal with the new “propietary” specs.

    Now, when the Linux World comes up with:

    a) A better graphics set, QT and the others out GTK, etc, just don’t cut it, specially with fonts. They are better, though not there yet.

    b) A great development environment comparble to Visual Studio. Look alikes are not enough. A good solid foundation, would do the trick. This can only be handle by a Giant company, pushing its weight.

    c) The Linux foundation should come up with a regulated way on how new distributions should be deployed and the same goes with software.

    d) The key other element is flash memory price, let it hit 30 dollars for 32GB. With a 6 year life cycle that is almost here now.

    e) This leads us to the new killer app, OS on a stick. its right around the corner, and its based out of Linux.

    MS knows this, and is rightly worried. Key word here is Flash Memory. Just imagine, work where every you can on a LEGAL version of windows working out a virtual image of windows on a Linux Stick.. I do that now. So I just put it in my pocket and done.. backing up is simple… No hassles no problems, no viruses.

    And you know what.. don’t even need a Windows OS to do this… Laptops?

    Look at the following picture… LCD, Keyboard, Mouse, Infrared, Wireless, Firewire, USB, Biometrics… no hard drive (Just Jump drives), no hard disk.. …

    1) Ligth weight 10 hours

    L3 revolutions is here, and its here to stay. MS should be worried.

  70. No negotiations with Microsoft in progress says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 3:29 am

    [...] Dig From:http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127 [...]

  71. MS is worried, with good foundation 2 says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 3:30 am

    FYI,

    On my prefious post I was refering to Open Office 2.0

    I attributed the fonts to the Graphical Set, yes it has something to do with it, but the real problem is the graphical set available to the X engine. So it must be addressed.

    L3 stands for:

    L1 Low cost 10hrs

  72.   Ubuntu: No negotiations with Microsoft in progress by Aplastame > says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 3:32 am

    [...] There ’s a rumour circulating that Ubuntu is in discussions with Microsoft aimed at an agreement along the lines they have concluded recently with Linspire, Xandros, Novell etc. (…) For the record, let me state our position: We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements.read more | digg story [...]

  73. Ted Swart says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 4:04 am

    Thank you so much Mark. If Debian, Ubuntu (Canonical), Red Hat etc refuse to pay Microsoft protection money for deliberately unspecified software patents the message will eventually get through. Your comments on ODF versus OOXML were a delight to read. Microsoft has been a member of OASIS for some time and they deliberately behaved like lurkers without contributing anything positive simply because they are dead scared of being forced to operate on a level playing fielld.

  74. Scooby says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 4:15 am

    You rock Mark. I am glad to see you do not believe in this Microsoft Fud. Thank you for all the hard work.

  75. rt says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 4:19 am

    It’s already been five or so month now that I made a switch to linux. Currently I’m using Ubuntu and getting the hang of it now.

    I’m really getting tired of Microsoft and its problems with many flaws in windows. Also they are making too much money and charging $500 for Vista and $400 for Office.

    Linux is a big threaten to Microsoft and so they used scare tactic to scare linux user and community. Now I’m a big linux supporter and I support the new CPL3 which will soon releases in order to prevent Microsoft scandal and threaten tactic. If Microsoft dare to threaten linux, they’ll have to answer to all of us linux user and community. Also their stocks will fall to the bottom.

    I recommend that Ubuntu stay away from Microsoft.

  76. eitan says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 4:28 am

    > I have no objections to working with Microsoft in ways that further the cause of free software,

    this sentence is self-contradictory. “working with microsoft” implies “hurting/diminishing the cause of free software.” how many companies (open source or not) have been fooled into cooperation with microsoft over the decades and today no longer exist. please don’t fall for the same old trap. don’t waste time talking to your enemy. we need nothing from them. i second the opinion that what we need is deals with the hardware manufacturers. dell, hp, toshiba, asus, gateway, etc..

  77. jsusanka says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 4:31 am

    thanks Mark – linux/open source could use about 20 more folks like you.

    you are on the mark about microsoft’s open xml too – I have been trying to make it all the way through the 47 meg pdf file that is their specification and there is no way any developer much less company could totally implement the spec. like you said microsoft hasn’t even fully impemented the spec. but here ODF is implemented in quite a number of products and continues to grow.

    thanks again and I am really enjoying feisty – very nice indeed great job keep up the great work it is appreciated!

  78. Dell says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 5:41 am

    This is a very good development. Thanks much for this post Mark.

  79. ravtux says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 5:48 am

    “Mua mua. No thanks.”…I love the way you blow your kisses. ;-)

    While I am entertained by your witty humor; I am more impressed that you see the The Interop Vendor Alliance is a potentially beneficial quorum that you should pursue.

    Keep up the good work, Mark!

    Jozef
    Oz Enterprise/Linux Nirvana Developer

  80. Ian MacGregor says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 7:13 am

    Thank you Mark. You say quite a bit that the world needs to hear.

  81. Xstatyk says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 7:38 am

    That was a question on a lot of people’s minds and I’m sure they will be very pleased after reading this.

    Thanks for the info.

  82. mybunche says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 7:53 am

    Thanks Mark and well said. Great leadership shown here for a very sensible and responsible position taken a sensitive issue. It makes me proud to use Ubuntu.

    During these troubling times, I do think many people needed to hear this directly from you. Sometimes we are like little children who need to hear a mothers reassuring words. Hmm….yes…. a Ubuntu Hug :)

    You have a bright future ahead of you Mark, stay true and always take Ubuntu along, make it the best and share it with the world.

  83. anna says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 8:16 am

    Thank you, Mark. I was angry reading the news, and then came here and I wasn’t.

    I don’t know if anyone still recalls some Microsoft sponsored ads stressing what they called an instability of open operating systems – “The trouble with an Open system is you never know what it will evolve into next.” Or something. The free software world survived that misconception (though the very concept of evolution is a distinct strength that got FOSS where it is today). It will survive this one. You’re right, Mark, they’d be digging their own graves if they started a lawsuit.

    In the meantime, I will be happily giving out Ubuntu CDs on campus and helping people switch to a sane alternative.

  84. gravity says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 8:35 am

    thank you, Mark.

    i have to paste the comment of a digg user, btw, that i agree with:

    >Shuttleworth.. you make a deal and I press enter.. I dare you…

    >sudo rm -rf /

    cheers,

    gravity.

    http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_No_negotiations_with_Microsoft_in_progress

  85. BertJan Bakker says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 9:10 am

    Thank you Mark Shuttleworth for this clear message.

    I think many will like me, welcome your explicit statement that the freedom of free software is essential.

    Regards,
    A happy and grateful Kubuntu user.

  86. Natan says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 9:15 am

    Thank you.

    Ubuntu is awesome (although it could have better out of the box support for broadcom chips). Thanks, and keep up the great work.

  87. The Rumour Is False « the ubuntu guy says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 9:40 am

    [...] According to Mark Shuttleworth- There are no negotiations with Microsoft about unspecified patent infringements. Allegations of “infringement of unspecified patents” carry no weight whatsoever. We don’t think they have any legal merit, and they are no incentive for us to work with Microsoft on any of the wonderful things we could do together. A promise by Microsoft not to sue for infringement of unspecified patents has no value at all and is not worth paying for. It does not protect users from the real risk of a patent suit from a pure-IP-holder (Microsoft itself is regularly found to violate such patents and regularly settles such suits). People who pay protection money for that promise are likely living in a false sense of security. You can read his full article here directly from his blog. [...]

  88. Frank Black says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 10:23 am

    In this world of sell-outs, it is good to know that I can continue to maintain my faith in something I hope and believe is good for this planet: Ubuntu.

    Thank you, Mark.

  89. Amir E. Aharoni says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 10:32 am

    As bad as the legacy MS-Office file formats are, they are the de-facto industry standard. The biggest reason OpenOffice isn’t more widely is its buggy support for legacy Word .doc’s and .ppt’s . What good OpenOffice is for my dad if it can’t properly open ppt presentations of LOLCATS flying F16 airplanes that he receives in the email? Let alone .doc-based government forms.

    So i would propose this kind of a deal to Microsoft:

    Microsoft will supply tools for reading the pre-Office12 binary formats (DOC, XLS, PPT, etc.) under a free license, and in exchange the Free Software community will adopt OpenXML as the future format of choice.

    It’s a comromise: The Free Software community (rightly) hates OpenXML and Microsoft (stupidly) hates open source.

    But such a deal will free Microsoft from the need to do another format war and lobby state senates against ODF; And it will give the Free Software community the necessary tools to implement OpenXML without second-guessing what Microsoft means by “Word 6 behavior”. From that point on it’s fair game: Microsoft will try to fight against the price of OpenOffice by marketing, which they usually pretty good at and the customers will get their free choice.

  90. Super Mike says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:05 am

    You rock.

  91. Philipp Höhn » Blog Archive » Mark Shuttleworth: “no negotiations with Microsoft in progress” says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:16 am

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of Canonical (the firm behind Ubuntu), intimated in his blog that there are “no negotiations with Microsoft in progress.” That’s good news, isn’t it? [...]

  92. Arie Timmerman.nl » Blog archief » Ook Ubuntu sluit patentdeal met Microsoft says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:29 am

    [...] Tot gisteren dan. Mark Shuttlewort, de oprichter van Ubuntu, schreef gisteren op zijn blog dat er geen onderhandelingen met Microsoft aan gang waren. There’s a rumour circulating that Ubuntu is in discussions with Microsoft aimed at an agreement along the lines they have concluded recently with Linspire, Xandros, Novell etc. Unfortunately, some speculation in the media (thoroughly and elegantly debunked in the blogosphere but not before the damage was done) posited that “Ubuntu might be next”. […] We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements. [...]

  93. Lawrence says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:35 am

    Although I’m not a fan of Ubuntu,I find the position you are taking is a great benefit for all of linux.Very honorable indeed.
    As stated above” linux/open source could use about 20 more folks like you.”,I would change that to say, linux/open source needs everybody to be like you.

  94. Sjuul Janssen says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:35 am

    Its good to see that Linux is about to take the next step. And I really do thing that coming together to stand strong is the next step. I didnt see it before why Microsoft would say that linux is using some stuff they own but now I get it. No company in its right mind is gonna step to Linux if theres a chance they’re violating pattents or copyrights

  95. David Thompson says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:37 am

    I know now for sure that I made a wise choice in Ubuntu. A great distro, and a great man behind it. Thank you!!

  96. ben underscore says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:40 am

    excellent and well said. you correctly describe microsoft’s behaviour as a protection racket. they are being stand over merchants and are bullies. we only need to stand up to them.

  97. /home/liquidat The usual Microsoft at Norway’s schools « says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    [...] This reminds me of a recent blog post by Mark Shuttleworth, the founder of Ubuntu: I don’t believe that […] Microsoft will hold itself to the specification when it does not suit the company to do so [...]

  98. Kirk Badger says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:26 pm

    What scary stuff.
    Simple as that.

  99. No negotiations with Microsoft in progress « Memoria compartida says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 12:27 pm

    [...] Publicado por ardentice on 17/06/07 El titulo de este post es el mismo que Mark Shutterworth ha incluido en su blog hablando sobre la posición que Ubuntu tomara en cuanto a todo el lió con las patentes de software de otras distribuciones de GNU/Linux y Microsoft. La verdad, es que después de pensar un poco en el tema, creo que es una buena noticia para todos los usuarios de Ubuntu, la verdad es que no me gustaría tener que hacerle boikot a Ubuntu en caso de que firmara cualquier acuerdo, por lo que de la misma forma que ahora no se negociara, espero que no se haga nunca. [...]

  100. Ubuntu Founder Responded To On Going Rumor » D’ Technology Weblog: Technology News & Reviews says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    [...] Full article [...]

  101. john S says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    nothing that hasn’t been said here before, but I am pleased to see such strength from the leadership of an OS that I love using and supporting.
    Great to hear your views on the subject, and good for the community to know that you are not scared of the empty threat.
    Microsoft settles suits over IP often, but they have found that not everyone will bow to threats like they do.
    Sometimes it is better to go down fighting, thats what scares the hell out of them with linux, people are fierce advocates of things they are passionate about, and people aren’t really passionate about Windows, there is no community to fight for them.

  102. Auch Ubuntu wiedersetzt sich Microsoft - Fedora-Blog.de says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    [...] Wie tecChannel berichtet, hat der Ubuntu-Gründer Marc Shuttleworth nach dem Aufkommen von entsprechenden Gerüchten in seinem Blog klar gestellt, das es keine Verhandlungen zwischen Ubuntu und Microsoft geben werde. [...]

  103. troin says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    I really appreciate all of the work you do, all of the money that has been invested in ubuntu is a demonstration of what Free software can do. Keep it up!!!

  104. Renato S. Yamane says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 4:55 pm

    Very Good!
    Ubuntu says “no, thanks” as Red Hat!
    http://www.computing.co.uk/vnunet/news/2189545/red-hat-sets-limits-microsoft

    Best regards,
    Renato
    Brazil

  105. Rik says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    Thank you, Linux lives.

  106. nicolas pettiaux says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    Thank you very much Mak for such a clear and precise explanation, and comment.

  107. Tengku Anis says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    You’re my Hero Mark!!!
    –Ubuntu User from Malaysia–

  108. Mark dice no a patti con Microsoft « iLLusion bloG says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 6:33 pm

    [...] Questo e’ l’articolo. Buona lettura. [...]

  109. .:Pixels not found:. » Koniec plotek says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    [...] Jednak nie. Mark Shuttleworth zdecydowanie i definitywnie uciął takie gdybania na swoim blogu – No negotiations with Microsoft in progress. [...]

  110. Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    Thank you, Mark. I think you are making real difference here.

  111. Sum Yung Gai says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 7:11 pm

    Mark,

    You are correct; a technical collaboration with Microsoft would not be a bad thing. The Samba team is on record as saying that they used to do just that with MS engineers back in the day…until the bosses of those MS engineers ordered them not to anymore.

    While I was at Microsoft, I met a lot of very smart people there. However, they also have a lot of stock options. Personally, I suggest that they cash out at this point, thus freeing them mentally to concentrate on good coding, like back in the day.

    While I’d love to see Microsoft change its attitude, the people who run the company are not old people–they’re middle-aged folks who are generally in good health, and the stock options make it very attractive for these people (e. g. Craig Mundie) to stay. Only those who tow the Gates/Ballmer line will be promoted into an executive position. So, it may be a long while before the company starts actually playing nicely with F/OSS developers and advocates.

    The most recent examples are the patent sabre-rattling and the “Uh-Oh-XML” format push.

    I didn’t believe that you’d sell out. But it’s good to see you state that definitively here.

  112. Zeno Davatz says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 7:22 pm

    Great, stay straight!

  113. Seif Lotfy says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 7:35 pm

    thank you mark…
    i respect and admire your opinion on “no objections to working with Microsoft in ways that further the cause of free software”. Sadly as stated above i don’t see that happening anytime soon :(
    again nice stand point.

  114. Inez says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 7:47 pm

    I am an occasional browser of this site; for interest, scavenging, broad-stroked surveillance and to have one up on the “laptop okes” in the tearoom, rather than meaningful insight or contribution by way of corroboration or critique. Nevertheless, from the cheap seats I can see something is being built. It is rising up and perched to have eternal effect. Like whole cities under construction and ruins restored, and in light of the above posting, you may well all have to build this Jerusalem’s wall as they did in the days of Nehemiah: sword in one hand and bricks in the other.

  115. Siberian.Ws » Online life of Andrei Drynov » Ubuntu community will not bow to Microsoft says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 7:49 pm

    [...] Ubuntu: No negotiations with Microsoft in progress We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements. [...]

  116. Sueños en Binario v2.0 » Blog Archive » Ubuntu se la banca, ¡Carajo! says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 8:40 pm

    [...] 6to: Ante los cada vez mas frecuentes casos de empresas de linux que hacen tratos con Microsoft bajo una falsa amenaza de demandas por patentes (Léase: no estoy seguro de lo que vendo por que deje mis testículos en casa), empezó a circular el rumor de que Ubuntu sería la próxima en caer, pero Mark Shuttleworth (fundador de la distro y la empresa que la soporta) publicó un comunicado bien claro en el que resume la idea principal: [...]

  117. Patrik says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    Thank you!

    And to continue on about Microsoft,
    The time they create a product that doesn’t blow, will be when they create a leaf-blower ^^

  118. Pradesh says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 9:08 pm

    Thank you for clarifying your position, Mark.

    I do think that this post was a good example of being guided by principle, and proof that you are a man of principle.

    In nature, principles are laws. They cannot be moved. They are solid, For example, you cannot move the law of nature. It’s there! If you throw something into the air, it must come down.

    Likewise, a principle of integrity is immovable. If you are someone with integrity, then you cannot be moved.

    Principle is what guides the open source movement. I too, like many of you, make a living out of the open source community, and I’m grateful for it.

    Your stance shows your understanding of the guiding principles, and adherence is the only way. It’s a sure recipe for success.

  119. Shuttleworth: Não há negociações em progresso com a Microsoft « Péricles Andrade | Blog says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 9:22 pm

    [...] Shuttleworth: Não há negociações em progresso com a Microsoft O fundador do Ubuntu incluiu uma frase em negrito no texto em que repele as especulações que vinham surgindo: “Nós recusamos discutir qualquer acordo com a Microsoft sob a ameaça de patentes não especificadas”. E ele aproveita para falar o que pensa de interoperabilidade feita em código aberto, sua visão sobre o OpenXML da Microsoft e mais. E ele afirma algo em sintonia com porções extensas da comunidade: “Eu não acredito que a intenção da atual rodada de pactos é no sentido de apoiar o software livre”. “Em seu blog pessoal, Mark Shuttleworth responde de forma eloqüente e direta, aos rumores sobre o Ubuntu ser ‘a bola da vez’ na atual rodada de acordos com a Microsoft. A suspeita circulou essa semana principalmente após o anúncio do novo pacto da Microsoft com a Linspire. Leiam no link a seguir a minha tradução livre.” [...]

  120. Bernard Woodhams says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 9:57 pm

    Regardless of whether Microsoft really owns patents that Ubuntu breaches, the protection being offered is meaningless. What Microsoft offered to do was not sue Novell’s _customers_. But it is not the customers who are accused of breaching patents. I agree with Mark on this, don’t pay Microsoft “protection money”.

  121. Paul J. Thompson says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    Glad to see your statement on this Mark, it clears the air. However, I would also appreciate it if you would clarify your position on the CNR deal. That in the light of the current Linspire/MS deal no longer smells to good.

  122. stolennomenclature says: (permalink)
    June 17th, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    The big problem with collaborations between the community and business is the very different underlying motivations of the two groups.

    Corporations have only one goal – to make money. Most of them have long since cared how they do it. Sure you can make money by honest dealings and by providing for the needs of the customers, but the dishonest methods usually make much more money, at least in the short to medium term.

    Software businesses long ago recognised the problems of producing a product that never wears out, and the need to make sure the customer is always forced to upgrade to a new version, either to get rid of annoying bugs or to obtain missing functionality.

    Its really hard to see any of the big companies who have so far thrived using immorality and deceit as a cornerstone of their business, now singing “praise the Lord I have repented” and turning over a new leaf. Those sorts of things only really happen in movies.

    In real life if a company fails to make money using one kind of con, then they will simply devise another kind. I applaud Mr Shuttleworths even handed approach and his open minded attitude towards Microsoft and his desire for them to reform, but really is it likely? Hardly.

  123. Ubuntu no está haciendo negociaciones con Microsoft « Entre tuxes y pepinos says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 12:01 am

    [...] Nada más lejos de la realidad. Como introducía en la entrada, Mark Shuttleworth ha difuminado todos esos rumores en su blog, con una frase muy contundente. [...]

  124. Ubuntu Life » Blog Archive » Ubuntu no esta negociando con Microsoft says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 12:24 am

    [...] Despues de los acuerdos que ha firmado Microsoft con Novell, Xandros y Linspire; corria el rumor de que Canonical iba a ser el proximo en entrar en negociaciones con la poderosa compañia. Mark Shuttleworth lo ha negado en un post de su blog There’s a rumour circulating that Ubuntu is in discussions with Microsoft aimed at an agreement along the lines they have concluded recently with Linspire, Xandros, Novell etc. Unfortunately, some speculation in the media (thoroughly and elegantly debunked in the blogosphere but not before the damage was done) posited that “Ubuntu might be next”. [...]

  125. Andrew S says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 12:47 am

    The document format is one area I have been focusing on lately. The presence of Microsoft in the academic arena is predominantly in the form of Office documents (Word, Excel and others) and their proprietary formats. On the ground in a working environment the ODF is truly superior and we need to ensure that it comes out the winner. If ODF can indeed be that winner, and I think it will, then we will have a gold plated shining example of openness kicking major proprietary butt in the average user world.

  126. Mark Shuttleworth gets quote mined « Limulus says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 12:49 am

    [...] Update: Mark Shuttleworth flatly denies Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols’ prediction of an Ubuntu-Microsoft patent deal in his blog here. [...]

  127. Tech.Sports.Beer » Ubuntu: No negotiations with Microsoft in progress says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 1:00 am

    [...] There ’s a rumour circulating that Ubuntu is in discussions with Microsoft aimed at an agreement along the lines they have concluded recently with Linspire, Xandros, Novell etc. (…) For the record, let me state our position: We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements.read more | digg story Bookmark to: [...]

  128. No negotiations with Microsoft in progress (Mark Shuttleworth)  »Technology News | Venture Capital, Startups, Silicon Valley, Web 2.0 Tech says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 1:06 am

    [...] Source:Techmeme No negotiations with Microsoft in progress  —  There’s a rumour circulating that Ubuntu is in discussions with Microsoft aimed at an agreement along the lines they have concluded recently with Linspire, Xandros, Novell etc.  Unfortunately, some speculation in the media (thoroughly … Source:   Mark Shuttleworth Author:   Mark Link:   http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127 Techmeme permalink Share and Enjoy: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...]

  129. Nestor says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 1:12 am

    Great to heard that, really awesome. Keep going the good work with ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu,…
    Congrats!

  130. Ubuntu en acuerdos con Microsoft? « Mundo Tuxiano says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 1:13 am

    [...] Despues de que Novell y Linspire hayan firmado un acuerdo con Microsoft, corrian los rumeros por varios blogs de que Canonical seria la proxima. Pues podemos estar tranquilos por que hoy Mark Shuttleworth lo ha negado en su blog: No negotiations with Microsoft in progress [...]

  131. BlogNerds.com | Tech Blog | Tech News » No negotiations with Microsoft in progress (Mark Shuttleworth) says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 1:37 am

    [...] Source:   Mark Shuttleworth Author:   Mark Link:   http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127 Techmeme permalink [...]

  132. Shuttleworth Talks Tough: Does anyone care? « The Tech Journal says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 3:39 am

    [...] Talks Tough: Does anyone care? June 18, 2007 Posted by rjdohnert in . trackback Mark Shuttleworth leader of the Ubuntu project and a respected figure in the Linux community (Imgoing to leave out First South African in Space because everyone says it so much) has stated on his blog that Canonical is not in talks with Microsoft similar to the Novell, Xandros, Linspire and LG deal.  He cites “rumors on the internet” [...]

  133. Colin Henderson says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 3:51 am

    Thanks for this update. As a happy user of Xubuntu, I am happy it is not just free, but better.

  134. Randall says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 3:56 am

    Bla, Shuttleworths is a big bitch. I suspect that he will give in to Microsoft in a few days. Ubuntu users give linux a bad name anyway. If you want to use linux use anything but ubuntu.

  135. (0l^`/ says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 4:25 am

    i think that a strategic move with Google would be a good move on both Google and Ubuntu’s part. think about it people, Google the biggest company that could contend with Microsoft and Ubuntu the most popular Linux out there today. that and the linux summit that is being held there and th recent move with dell shipping Ubuntu machines.

    thats just an opinion. and a dream.

  136. Michael Magua says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 4:52 am

    Well I hope so Mark, just remember was bug no. 1 is :-).

  137. Michael Magua says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 4:53 am

    I mean “what” and not “was”.

  138. Kiran Patil says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 5:22 am

    Mark you Rock.

    Your deeds are your words.

    We are here coming like tidal wave and planning to bring truth to mass, I am giving here some clue.

    This time in INDIA we are doing something in the month of August.

    Keep watching Bangalore News.

    Freedom Freedom Freedom

    Hail Freesoftware Community, RMS, Linus, Mark ……………………………………………………………………………………………….

  139. tecosystems » links for 2007-06-18 says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 5:23 am

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » No negotiations with Microsoft in progress “We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements.” – just what i expected Ubuntu’s position would be (tags: Microsoft Ubuntu Canonical distros legal license law patents) [...]

  140. MorrisTheCat says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 5:30 am

    Don’t get me wrong, but Didn’t Linspire once had a similar position? They finally ended up in Microsoft’s hands.

    http://www.linspire.com/linspire_letter_archives.php?id=36

    I hope, for all those who have really believed in Ubuntu, that this is not just another Linspire and Novell Story.

    Keep up the good work and Open Source philosophy.

  141. Ubuntu64 | Ubuntu and the MS Patent Claims says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 5:33 am

    [...] On June 16th Mark also posted something a little more lengthy about the subject which can be found here. [...]

  142. avavava says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 5:57 am

    … ubuntu!

  143. homerhomer says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 5:58 am

    I can’t help from being amazed on the overall direct community feeling I get from Ubuntu! It’s really nice to hear from Mark about the question that a lot of people where wondering about.

    Now if they can’t only get rid of that #1 bug

    :)

  144. Zaine Ridling says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 7:03 am

    Mark, while I deeply appreciate your support of ODF and FLOSS, I could not continue to support and promote Ubuntu if it made such a deal with Microsoft. As you state right off, it’s not needed. Thanks to your heroic efforts and direct financial support of Ubuntu, you alone have pushed GNU/Linux on the desktop further than anyone else has in my memory. Many of us in the community appreciate any effort to attract new users, especially Windows switchers as myself. But it would be a Fasutian bargain that would erode all future trust from Ubuntu’s most committed users.

  145. Bhaskar’s Space » Ubuntu - Microsoft says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 7:05 am

    [...] There is a post on Mark Shuttleworth’s Blog where he quashes rumours and clarifies that there are no negotiations with Microsoft in progress. He also goes on to clarify his stance about a few related issues. I would not mind parroting him here, but why don’t you go ahead and read it verbatim yourself? [...]

  146. Peter B. says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 7:12 am

    Dear Mark,

    Thank you for making that clear!

    I am going to change the linux distribution on my 4 PC’s from Novell-Suse to Ubuntu. No Microsoft Tax from me.
    Since Nov. 2006 there is a bad smell in the Novell Corner.

    Best regards Peter

  147. Marcos says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 7:53 am

    *** Spanish: Sobre el tema de llegar Micro$oft a acuerdos con distribuidoras de Linux, poniendo siempre la clausula de “protección” en caso de denuncia de patentes, hay quien piensa (y puede que acertadamente) que es para poner la mitad de la comunidad contra otra mitad ante un futuro juicio de patentes.

    Y yo me pregunto…

    ¿¿¿Por qué no denunciar por difamación la comunidad Linux a Micro$oft??? ¡!

    Sabemos que no puede demostrar nada contra el código abierto. Así obligaríamos a Micro$oft a mostrar su código, sería un contraataque a sus calumnias, daría confianza a la comunidad, se le metería el miedo en el cuerpo a Goliat, y lo más importante se evitaría que siguiese llegando a acuerdos y poner fines a sus oscuros planes.

    Creo que Micro$oft se chuleó sabiendo que nadie la demandaría por sus declaraciones sobre las patentes, pero sería una buena jugada demandarla.

    Lo malo es el precio, pero viendo las grandes empresas y pequeños usuarios ¿no se podría conseguir el dinero antes de ir a juicio? Yo por ejemplo uso Ubuntu gratis. Windows me costaria una burrada (sin contar Office, y demás programas), a cambio de todo esto que me ahorro ¿que me costaría donar una pequeña cantidad (1 € cada usuario sería mucho) para un juicio? Nada!

    Un saludo.

  148. SirShaggy says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 8:41 am

    I wanted to just say THANK YOU! I support your stance on this in huge part for the support you have given us, the community. I have not always been a GNU/Linux user but see the light…..

  149. karl-tux-stadt.de » Billy Boy weiter auf Einkaufsrunde? says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 8:44 am

    [...] Ist jetzt nach Novell, Xandros und Linspire Chanonical der nächste Vertragspartner von Microsoft? Shuttleworth begrüsst zwar die Bemühungen von Microsoft um mehr Interoperabilität. Dennoch lehnt er ein Abkommen unter unter der Bedrohung von nicht genauer benannten Patentverstöße überhaupt zu diskutieren. Für die Zukunft schliesst Shuttleworth allerdings Abkommen mit Microsoft nicht aus, falls Microsoft sich konstruktiv an der Entwicklung in der Welt der freien Software beteiligt. [...]

  150. Manuel Ranieri says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 8:56 am

    Thank you Mark.
    I think that is important for the ubuntu community to now the intention of Canonical.
    Ubuntu is a great distro made from a great man and with a great UBUNTU’s idea.
    In this chaos world it’s important to to have a clear man that do a clear action.

    Thank you again.

  151. CHIP-LINUX-Blog » Blog Archiv » Ubuntu: Keine Verhandlungen mit Microsoft says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 9:36 am

    [...] Gerüchten zufolge gilt Ubuntu als heißer Kandidat für den nächsten Microsoft-Deal. Grund genug für Mark Shuttleworth, Gründer von Ubuntu-Sponsor Canonical, die Sache in seinem Blog klarzustellen. [...]

  152. poutsoklis says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 9:46 am

    first, i’d like to clarify that ubuntu ROCKS! great distro from every angle.
    BUT, canonical is a company and business is business. if a manager at canonical thinks that someday it would be better off (money-wise for the company) striking a deal with M$, then they will do so without hesitating and releasing a public statement that says the usual about interoperability blah-blah.

    most of you know that the only distro with a social contract (and community-driven in every sense) is debian (if debian “falls” then i’m moving to *bsd… if *bsd “falls” who knows? maybe hurd will be usable by then ;) )
    i used to be a happy suse user. but when novell bought suse i was not pleased. after their controversial deal with M$ i deleted the suse partition and installed debian. from then on, nothing matters for me. as long as debian is strong (and the community behind it) there will always be a linux champion. don’t get me wrong. as i said ubuntu is a fantastic distro. but there is company behind it, and when companies are involved you know what happens to a “pure ideal”…

    poutsoklis

  153. Free Penguin says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 9:53 am

    I think it’s a good thing to reject the microsoft negotations because you know that the only thing Microsoft want is to soffocate in every way GNU/Linux.

  154. Skrezium says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 9:54 am

    Great.

    Thank you *very* much, Mark.

  155. poutsoklis says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 10:00 am

    secondly, i don’t buy the interoperability stuff. many companies move to gnu/linux for their it infrastructure. we don’t need interoperability with M$ products (and don’t give me that mono stuff again as a proof of concept for the contrary – you know we’d be better off without mono – i’m a programmer myself and don’t find anything useful in .net-style languages; my personal point of view).

    let’s lock M$ out of the game like they did in the past. why should the gnu/linux community waste any valuable resources for achieving interoperability with inferior products/standards? if a company believes that gnu/linux isn’t suitable for them because it can’t operate along their M$ infrastructure, let them be locked out when gnu/linux dominates the it market. they will take a lesson in being locked with proprietary (and more important CLOSED) products/standards. why would a company like novell sport a “ME TOO” (hey, our products work with M$) badge by wasting programming resources when there are already superior products in the free world/ecosystem? let them (along with their xandros/linspire/everyone-else counterparts) go down and show the free world the lesson they took!
    hey M$ managers. WE DON’T NEED YOUR MONEY! (well, maybe those of us who are not after money!)

  156. Embracing Open Sources » First Novell, then Xandros and now Linspire says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 10:08 am

    [...] It seems the list of open source companies who are signing agreements with Microsoft is growing. But they all share a common profile: second league, desperate companies who, instead of rethinking their business model or disappearing quietly, decide to dig their own graves with the hope of staying in business for a little longer. No wonder that the leading Linux companies are against any such agreement with Microsoft, specially if it is based on the threat of unspecified patent infringements. Microsoft is following the wrong strategy, threatening its own users and the whole industry and partnering with the losers. Will they rectify on time? What kind of company will Microsoft be in 10 years? [...]

  157. poutsoklis says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 10:09 am

    last but not least, in these times of turbulence, the world needs a champion/hero. a paladin who will defend pure ideals.
    you know who i’m talking about. the one and only – the eternal defender – not the one with deep pockets – the VISIONAIRE: RMS

  158. Otto Wyss says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 10:27 am

    “My goal is to carry free software forward as far as I can”

    Mark, as much as I acknowledge this statement, from the so far achieved results, “as far as I can” seems to be rather limited. I’ve told you before, if you keep on going with Ubuntu as you do now, it will take years if not centuries, that you ever get any minimal progress in fixing Ubuntu bug #1. If you ever want to become successful with free software, you have to tackle the cross-platform application dilemma first. This fact hasn’t change since the Linux desktop survey (http://www.osdl.org/dtl/DTL_Survey_Report_Nov2005.pdf) has been published. Sorry for the harsh words but please open up your eyes to the real problem.

    O. Wyss

  159. NIHIX » Blog Archive » Kein Microbuntu says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 11:05 am

    [...] Nachdem SuSe, Xandros und Linspire nun ihre jeweiligen Abkommen mit Microsoft geschlossen haben, bin ich sehr froh, dass Mark Shuttleworth nun verkündet hat, dass Canonical sich nicht in ähnlicher Weise von Microsoft erpressen lassen wird. War’s interessant? Ja, dann besteht jetzt die Möglichkeit, einen Kommentar zu hinterlassen (0) oder einen Trackback-Verweis auf das Posting zu legen. [...]

  160. baldi-design»Blog Archive » Ubuntu: Kein Abkommen mit Microsoft geplant - vorerst says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 12:32 pm

    [...] In einem aktuellen Eintrag auf seinem Weblog erteilt entsprechenden Spekulationen nun aber eine Absage, zumindest vorerst. Derzeit gäbe es keine Gespräche mit Microsoft, man habe sich entschlossen, dass es diese unter den Vorzeichen nicht näher spezifizierter Patenverstoßvorwürfe der Redmonder einfach nicht geben könne. [...]

  161. Raghu Nayak says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    Thank you Mark ! You are as sweet as I expected. :)

  162. Mark Shuttleworth: Kein Patentabkommen mit Microsoft und Ubuntu - Mindfactory AG Community Forum says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 12:45 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth: Kein Patentabkommen mit Microsoft und Ubuntu In seinem Blog stellt Mark Shuttleworth – der Schirmherr und Mzen der Linuxdistribution Ubuntu – klar, dass es kein Patentabkommen mit Microsoft ala Linspire und Novell mit Ubuntu geben werde. Eine konstruktive Zusammenarbeit zum besseren Austausch mit Microsoft solange alles in die Opensource Community fliet ist nicht ausgeschlossen, aber hierbei muss Microsoft wohl Shuttelworth berzeugen, dass die Redmonder auch deutlcih in diese Richtung gehen wollen. Zum Originaltext: Mark Shuttleworth Blog Archive No negotiations with Microsoft in progress cu Gargi __________________ The more you suffer the more it shows you really care! offspring [...]

  163. Johan Hernandez says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    Glad to read that.
    Thanks Mark.

  164. Tom Marble says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 2:15 pm

    Like Wielaard I’m a little sensitive to the comment: “While Sun has yet to fully deliver on its commitments to free software licensing for Java [...]”

    We have published each and every one of the 96% of 6.5 million lines of code which comprise Sun’s implementation of Java SE under the GPL. We simply do not have the legal authority (copyright) on the remaining 4%. Thanks to Wielaard, the Classpath & Friends community and the new OpenJDK community we are hopeful to have free software alternatives for that 4% soon. And I am exquisitely aware how important it is for everyone in the Free Software world to have a Java Compatible implementation from 100% open source. We will get there soon.

    When that happens OpenJDK can be a candidate for “main” and thus act as a Build-Depends for the rest of the Java Stack. And, although in “multiverse” today, we have made a substantial investment in preparing our Java Stack for the Free Software world (relicensing, refactoring, packaging, marketing, etc.).

    And yes there is very serious commitment to Free Software from the top as Jonathan’s blog to Linus demonstrates. I guess all I’m asking for is a little more recognition that Sun has made good on our commitment to open source Java and, along with the community, we are making very meaningful progress towards making our entire Java Stack available to Free Software distros.

    Respectfully,

    –Tom

  165. Michael Dolan Dot Com » Mark Shuttleworth: Thanks, but no thanks; we have no need for your unspecified patents says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    [...] Very well articulated view of recent patent comments from Microsoft by Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu/Canonical. Mark’s position is exactly what more people need to understand fully. [...]

  166.  by . says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    [...]  Primero fue Novell, luego Xandros y hace poco Linspire. Estas empresas firmaron acuerdos con Microsoft, los cuales levantaron toda clase de comentarios entre la comunidad linuxera mundial. Ahora en su blog, Mark Shuttleworth (el fundador de Ubuntu) ha anunciado que ellos no firmaran acuerdo alguno con el gigante de Redmond. [...]

  167. Ubuntu takes a stand « Scotsman on a Horse says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » No negotiations with Microsoft in progress We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements. Published in: [...]

  168. Das Blog zum Elfenladen » Linux: Die Nachrichten der Woche 18.6.2007 says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    [...] Wie der Ubuntu-Gründer und Großsponsor in seinem Blog schreibt, gibt es zur Zeit keine Verhandlungen mit Microsoft. Canonical, Ubuntu Community Council und er seien sich da einig. “Wir haben es abgelehnt, irgendein Abkommen mit Microsoft unter der Bedrohung von nicht genauer benannten Patentverstöße zu diskutieren”, schreibt Mark. Solche Abkommen hätten ohnehin keine Schutzfunktion gegenüber Patent-Abzockern. Etwas, das Novell und andere Microsoft-Kusch(l)er noch lernen werden – neben Linspire auch Xandros, die mit ihrem kürzlich abgeschlossenen Deal nur die Unterschrift unter ihre bereits lebenslang andauernde Unglaubwürdigkeit setzten… [...]

  169. Arvind says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Brilliant……….you guys are the best, finally someone with guts.

  170. Ubuntu: Tidak ada Negosiasi dengan Microsoft! says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 3:42 pm

    [...] Sebelumnya, telah beredar desas-desus di blog yang mengabarkan bahwa Ubuntu akan mengikuti jejak Linspire, Xandros, Novell dan lainnya untuk bekerjasama dengan Microsoft. Di milis-milis lokal Indonesia pun kabar ini menyebar dan banyak menimbulkan kekhawatiran para pecinta Ubuntu. Atas menyebarnya berita miring ini, Mark Shuttleworth, Canonical CEO dan Ubuntu Linux Founder, hari sabtu kemarin, 16/06, dengan tegas membantahnya : “We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements.” [...]

  171. Martin Pekar says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 4:44 pm

    Another thanks, but this one comes from Czech Republic ;-)
    Thank you, Mark!

  172. Jose says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    This is very awesome to hear Mark, Thank you very much for clarifying the FUD and Ubuntu’s standings.
    Ubuntu to you my friend!!!

  173. ganny4linux says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    Thank you Mark.

  174. plah says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 5:14 pm

    Thanks Mark, It was great to hear this

    Cheers!

  175. Pan Linux » Blog Archive » Mark Shuttleworth Denies Microsoft Negotiations says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 6:34 pm

    [...] In a blog post Mark Shuttleworth, founder of the Ubuntu Project, states his position regarding the recent spate of patent protection agreements with Microsoft.  He believes that the allegations regarding unspecified patents carry no merit. Allegations of “infringement of unspecified patents” carry no weight whatsoever. We don’t think they have any legal merit, and they are no incentive for us to work with Microsoft on any of the wonderful things we could do together. A promise by Microsoft not to sue for infringement of unspecified patents has no value at all and is not worth paying for. [...]

  176. Fernando says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 6:41 pm

    Thanks Mark for your time, and for make a working solution as UBUNTU.

    Nice day for all.

  177. Christopher Parker says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    Thank you, Mark. :)

  178. Geri (Gary) Druckman » Blog Archive » No negotiations with Microsoft in progress says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 7:47 pm

    [...] To read his blog click-here [...]

  179. Jorge Manjarrez Lerma says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 8:44 pm

    ENGLSH: I think Microsoft violates de GNU/GPL License. Remember, Microsoft Stolen the code of the original DOS and no pay any thing to the original author.

    SPANISH: Yo creo que Microsoft ha violado la licencia GNU/GPL. Hay que recordar que Microsoft robó el código original de DOS y no pagó nada a su verdadero autor.

  180. Calvin Blackburn says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 9:09 pm

    Thanks Mark, i really like that you didn’t cave into Microsoft’s plans to take over Linux. Linux is all we have to oppose MS, and we can’t let them have it. You used your brains to outsmart their scare tactics. Thank you.

  181. Niente accordo Microsoft-Ubuntu « www.ubuntista.it says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 9:29 pm

    [...] Giugno 18th, 2007 Tiro un sospiro di sollievo. Bravo Mark. Posted by ubuntista Filed in Mark Shuttleworth, Microsoft, ubuntu [...]

  182. Marky Goldstein says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    We believe in the power of freedom. People want freedom. Thanks.

  183. Dvorak Uncensored » Ubuntu’s Shuttleworth rejects talks with Microsoft says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 9:44 pm

    [...] General — Eideard @ 1:44 pm There’s a rumour circulating that Ubuntu is in discussions with Microsoft aimed at an agreement along the lines they have concluded recently with Linspire, Xandros, Novell etc. Unfortunately, some speculation in the media posited that “Ubuntu might be next”. [...]

  184. Ubuntu kooperiert nicht mit Microsoft « Toxic3s Blog says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 10:01 pm

    [...] Ubuntu kooperiert nicht mit Microsoft Mal eine erfreuliche Nachricht. Gut das wenigstens Shuttleworth nicht auf den Patent-Trolle Zug aufspringt und Schutzgeld (und nichts anderes ist das) an MS zahlt. Ein weiterer Grund warum ich Mark Shuttleworth und Ubuntu so schätze. [...]

  185. Jimmyfj says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 10:13 pm

    Years ago when M$ released W95 and Novell NetWare was in state 3.1x I used to think that working with the two systems on administrator level was great. being responsible for 500 users daily access to the server through w-3.11 were no big deal. Then along came W95. And already in its inferior state W95 made my life miserable. Here I was, responsible for the daily use of our internal LAN suddenly, without warning not able to control the user login procedure, unless I was planing to learn how to program .com-files on an entirely closed system, W95, I’d better find another way of living. Back in those days NetWare were the largest on the server field, properly not the best, just the largest vendor of that time. As troubles increased I got me another job. Things had become to difficult to work with thanks to M$ and their brand new Windows??

    When NT showed up we used to joke about NT meaning New Trouble. And little did we know what kind of truth that joke held. I see that today. Sick and tired from M$ problems/restrictions I’m proud to be 100% MS-Free running Ubuntu. Thank you Mark – Still should the day when Ubuntu sign anything but a joke on a piece of toilet paper to M$ I wouldn’t hesitate hitting my hard reset button for restart holding a Debian disk in my hand. Thank you for a great distro I love using it though not married to it.

    Jimmy

  186. gabri says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 10:57 pm

    Grande!!!

  187. Jack Ripoff says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 11:14 pm

    You’re leaving your customers by themselves, alone. Thank god I don’t use products from Canonical, only from companies that really care about their customers and that protect them.

  188. Chi la prossima? « Linux says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 11:19 pm

    [...] A mio parete la campagna di FUD portata avanti da Microsoft ha avuto proprio l’effetto voluto, spaventando le aziende produttrici di distro, che hanno pensato bene di pararsi il culo (e lo dico perché è vergognoso) firmando accordi di protezione e facendo mettere le mani a MS anche sulla “nostra piccola nicchia di libertà”. Se ne sono guardate bene invece società serie, come ad esempio Canonical, la società che distribuisce Ubuntu, il cui fondatore Mark Shuttleworth ha espresso bene in chiaro le sue idee in un post sul suo blog e suggerisce quasi un’alleanza. Anche la storica società Red Hat ha fatto capire che non è per ora interessata a nessun accordo con Microsoft che aveva accennato ad una proposta, ma comunque niente di ufficiale. [...]

  189. news.osn.ro says: (permalink)
    June 18th, 2007 at 11:37 pm

    Mark Shuttleworth: Nu negociem cu Microsoft…

    Mark Shuttleworth, ‘patronul’ Ubuntu, declara pe blog-ul personal ca speculatiile care se fac in jurul unor discutii pe care le-ar purta Canonical sau proiectul Ubuntu cu Microsoft, referitor la vreo intelegere asupra patentelor, nu sunt adevarate si…

  190. ralph shubert says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 1:31 am

    Mark,
    Thank you for standing up to Microsoft. I consider myself a “power user” who spends alot of my free time “fixing” freinds and aquaintances Windows machines. Go into the regisitry to root out the last remnants of a trojan, bring it back from the dead with the so called “Recovery Console”, that sort of thing. I’ve been running Linux for over a year now, exclusively, on my personal machine — a 4 year old Dell Inspiron 1100 laptop. No problems that I can”t handle. I currently run Feisty 7.04. Congratulations on an excellent product and keep up the good work!
    Ralph S.
    P.S. Keep the Faith!

  191. bdwilcox says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 2:49 am

    “The only thing necessary for evil men to prosper is for good men to do nothing.”

    Microsoft has proven itself evil by its past abuses of its monopoly. Mark, thank you for taking the stand.

    From an Ubuntu evangelist sitting in a Fortune 50 IT Dept. who won’t shut up about how great Ubuntu is.

  192. Muadib says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 4:15 am

    Excelent!

  193. L.ying says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 5:18 am

    i think that ,ubuntu is more like windows now, highly demand on hardware , my computer with processor P3,could not run the latest system of ubutu fluently now. so i only can use debian system , the same core with ubuntu, ubuntu is very excellent system of linux.but now ,it goes far from the initial thought… just like suse and redhat…

  194. Michael says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 5:24 am

    Ubuntu must not sale itself to the Microsoft Winbug$ Empire.
    Ubuntu bring me back to open source.

    Gates is afraid of what the GNU/Linux Community is accomplish working on a free not commercial environment, also great corporations like HP, IBM , DELL, INTEL etc… support Open Source projects and getting good profit from them.

    I hope more Linux Distro make a stand like this, and say WE ARE NOT FOR SALE

    GNU/Linux Rules!

  195. Don Trotman says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 5:34 am

    Well said, Mark! Microsoft’s track record is such, that they are totally ruthless and unprincipled in crushing their opposition. There must have been undisclosed financial inducements to those distributors who have recently signed deals with them, purporting to free Linux users from alledged and unspecified patent infringement prosecution. “Jack Ripoff”s posting could have been written by Microsoft themselves!

    Don Tee

  196. Ariel says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 5:37 am

    Reading this was great news for me.
    I wish to thank you Mr Shuttleworth and all the Ubuntu developers. Keep up.

    A very grateful User.

  197. Eric says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 6:03 am

    Mr. Shuttleworth, I applaud you for publicly stating your position and not hiding away silently like many business owners would.

    I also applaud you for your honesty, directness and openness on this matter. Many people fail to realize “the big picture” in business (among other things). They all look at things from only their experiences and views and never see that there is much more to it. While I am certainly not a fan of Microsoft (mostly for their business practices) it is obviously in your interests to have an open dialog with MS and take each item on the table one at a time to see if anything is mutually beneficial to each company and your users.
    I do not think it wise for Novell, Linspire or Xandros to enter into this sort of mob like protection racket agreement that Microsoft has going, and I am glad you see it for what it is.

    It’s ashame that Linux, OS X, Windows, and BSD can’t all be more compatible, the majority of the companies involved don’t seem to see how beneficial it would be to the customers, I know it would make my life easier. Also ashame that software companies and hardware makers can’t provide cross platform products.

    Final note…thank you for providing such an incredible operating system, for free, and for continually helping to push it forward. Sure, in this day and age most of us involved in any sort of technical, artistic, or programming employment have to use more than one type of operating system/computer to get our work done, but it’s nice that I can use Ubuntu to get 90% of my work done and not feel like a prisoner or debtor to my operating system.

  198. stichi says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 8:16 am

    I would suggest Xerox is goin to sue Microsoft for its Win 95, 98, Millenium, 2000, 2003, XP, Vista
    for patent infringement. At the end of the day we will all run on Mac’s with Linux on it.

    No seriously. Mark is right. If infringement takes place MS has to show explicitly on which patent and which claim has been literally infringed. Thus saying 240 patent’s are violated is mere
    BS.

    But MS will certainly not name the patent in question for one single reason.

    In infringement cases, the first reaction of the alleged infringer is to challenge the alleged patent.
    Thus it may turn out that most of MS patents if re-examined turn out to be mere scarecrows and not even worth the paper they published on.

    Asta la VISTA µsoft

  199. Mark Shuttleworth: ecco la risposta giusta! « Pensieri sparsi says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 8:20 am

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth: ecco la risposta giusta! 19 06 2007 Aggiornamento: Mi son dimenticato di mettere il link… eccovelo [...]

  200. Costalfy’s Blog » Archive du blog » Ubuntu dément tout rapprochement avec Microsoft says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 9:28 am

    [...] « Nous refusons de discuter n’importe quel type d’accord avec Microsoft sous la menace », a souligné Shuttleworth sur son blog, dans un billet daté du 16 juin 2007. Avant d’insister : « La promesse de Microsoft de ne pas poursuivre (ses partenaires) pour violation de brevets non spécifiés n’a aucune valeur. Elle ne protège pas les utilisateurs contre le vrai risque d’une poursuite en justice autour des brevets par un pur détenteur d’IP (propriété intellectuelle) ». [...]

  201. Mark Shuttleworth: Ubuntu-Microsoft deal not going to happen says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    [...] Canonical chief executive Mark Shuttleworth has now stated in a blog post that Ubuntu is not going to sign a similar deal with Microsoft considering they have not given any proof on infringements made by Linux and other OS software. [...]

  202. Karl Lattimer says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 12:43 pm

    The two most important consecutive words in this post are “Protection money”.

    In a protection racket, the shop owner is threatened, along the lines of “Give us money or something nasty might happen to you, we offer the utmost security”

    Anyone else see the similarity, if you don’t pay Microsoft, they come along and smash up your shop, or something to that effect.

  203. mdm-adph says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    Have you seen this article being reported on by Reuters in the UK? http://investing.reuters.co.uk/news/articleinvesting.aspx?type=media&storyID=nN18409310

    Don’t you say in your post that you _are_ willing to work with Microsoft, just that you _aren’t_ willing to sign meaningless indemnification agreements?

  204. Serge says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    Thanks and regards!

  205. Stephen Orr says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 3:48 pm

    Although I’m a Windows user, and have been for many years – and don’t actually see myself changing to a Linux desktop of any variety, any time soon (though I do use Ubuntu on servers, and I have every intention of continuing to do so) – I applaud Mark and the Ubuntu community for making this stand against Microsoft. I don’t think legal manoeuvring and threats of this type should play any part in today’s society.

    That said, I’m a little surprised at some of the more vehement comments here that say NEVER to work with Microsoft, to shut them out of the market, to block their formats. To me, that goes completely against the spirit of the free software community (not the part who have been brainwashed by Richard Stallman and his cronies, but the part that live in the real world). For every door you shut against Microsoft, they will find a way in. To even attempt it marginalises Linux into the domain of fanatics. And don’t even get me started on GPLv3.

    The best way, and I would say the only sensible way, that we can move forward, is for everyone to work together to bring the best experience for their users. To some that might mean Linux, to others it will mean Apple, to yet others it will mean Microsoft. Choice is the key here, and any time you take away somebody’s choice you make it all the more likely that they will come to dislike you for it. To accept that someone may make choices other than your own is to give them freedom, and really, isn’t that what we’re all here for?

  206. Tarik says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

    Mr. Shuttleworth, thank you for your openness regarding this and many other issues affecting the free software community as a whole and the Ubuntu community in particular. Your position is always clear and you stand by your word. I deeply respect that, and as an Ubuntu user, I appreciate knowing exactly what direction things are going.

    Regards!

  207. Le Weblog de Tenshu » Shuttleworth dit non a Microsoft ... says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 7:59 pm

    [...] dirigeant de Canonical société mécène et leader de la distribution Ubuntu vient de publier son, point de vu. We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent [...]

  208. Mark Shuttleworth aclara que NO habrá acuerdos con microsoft sobre patentes « m3n3chm0’s Place © says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 8:03 pm

    [...] los rumores que se propagan por internet, Mark Shuttleworth, líder y fundador de Ubuntu, aclara en su blog que Ubuntu “ha declinado discutir cualquier acuerdo con Microsoft bajo la amenaza de [...]

  209. Frank Lewis says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    Way to be, Mark. You make me proud to run ubuntu.

  210. No Microsoft-Ubuntu Deal in the Works « Connect Fans says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    [...] company’s CEO said in a post on his personal Web log over the weekend that despite the rumors, there are no negotiations with [...]

  211. kenjiru says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 8:36 pm

    Thank you Mark!

  212. Olivier says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 10:02 pm

    Thank you !

    From France.

  213. OpenBSD_user says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 11:12 pm

    The power of the money is more important thing than ever before. In last 5 years that was nagged to us – see the change of every single distribution from DistroWatch’s Top10. Before 5-7 years the distros were a exotic melody to our computers w/o too much GUI toys like Beryl or somethin’ else. Now look again the current situation – the distros are very advanced in users attraction sphere. This is weird, no one could tell me that this is NOT a marketing trick, or more precisely the distros are now more commercial than MS products.

    Blame me (if you can) but after more 5 years there’s nothing will be remaining from the Open Source Community – then everything will be money. Not more, not less, only money… probably the Microsoft’s money. Their money don’t stink…

  214. una noticia Muy Importante Ubuntu no firmara acuerdos con Microsoft? « Lui5-San Blog says: (permalink)
    June 19th, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    [...] Shuttleworth habla de ello en su blog, en el cual explica que las alegaciones de violación de patentes de Microsoft no tienen peso [...]

  215. Bitacora RomeroGT » Muecas y besos al aire con Microsoft says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 12:50 am

    [...] Via: http://www.markshuttleworth.com-No Negociación con Microsoft en Progreso [...]

  216. Wayne Stallwood says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 1:16 am

    Can I just offer my vote of support for your stance in refusing to enter any discussion with Microsoft regarding an agreement over alleged patent infringements.

    I don’t consider myself a OSS Evangelist or a Linux Zealot or even a Microsoft Hater. In fact I own and operate a small consultancy in the UK that spends most of its time deploying and maintaining Microsoft software.

    However we also enjoy deploying OSS alternatives where we can and Ubuntu has and will continue to be a big part of this.

    I think this post sums up perfectly the general opinion of most reasoned thinkers within the OSS community.

    Mark’s pragmatic and considered statement makes me feel at ease with our decision to deliver Ubuntu to our clients. I found the “It’s not useful to characterize any company as “intrinsically evil for all time”.” statement to be particularly refreshing as it is a view that (particularly towards Microsoft) seems to be held by too few of the figureheads within the OSS community.

  217. More Microsoft Patent Dealings at Jeremy’s Blog says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 3:07 am

    [...] We now have three Linux distributions wrapped up in this patent debate. It was speculated that Mandriva may be next. Based on the profile of the latest two companies, it seemed a logical guess if you had to make one. It’s good to see that they have gone on the record saying that it’s not going to happen. Red Hat already rejected the idea and Mark made his feelings very clear in this post: [...]

  218. Red Hat, Ubuntu, Reject Talks With Microsoft « Open Source Alliance Cyberjaya says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 5:34 am

    [...] “We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements,” said Mark Shuttleworth, a South African entrepreneur who provides commercial support to Ubuntu through his company Canonical Ltd. Shuttleworth posted the statement in his blog over the weekend. [...]

  219. Fred de Lange says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 8:00 am

    I notice that Mark and others on this page like to refer to ‘free’ software. There is no such thing as free software. A lot of government people in my own country are under the impression that using Linux software such as Ubuntu will reduce their software costs. In fact, it will increase their software cost dramatically. I can hire Microsoft (C# or VB.NET) programmers at half the price I have to pay for Linux or Java programmers and because of Microsoft’s RAD programmes, I can have everything developed in a third of the time.

    This saving is passed on to my clients. However, if they insist on using ‘free’ operating systems, their custom program costs are more than three times the cost of programmes written for Microsoft operating systems. In addition the support is much better. If Linux wants to compete with with Microsoft, the Linux community will have to get together to develop Rapid Application Development programmes. Until you can do that, my advice is to grab every bone Microsoft throws at you

  220. Ubuntu to Microsoft: DO NOT WANT! says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 8:24 am

    [...] Read [...]

  221. Truth Happens | Kletskous says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 10:42 am

    [...] Shuttleworth van Ubuntu heeft al gezegd dat er geen sprake van kan zijn dat Ubuntu onderhandelingen aan zal gaan met Microsoft, zo lang MS op zijn minst niet duidelijk maakt om welke patenten het dan zou moeten gaan. Ook zal [...]

  222. Shuttleworth to Microsoft: No, thanks! · John Turner says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 10:49 am

    [...] remains unchanged, according to ZDNet Australia. Mark Shuttleworth, the man behind Canonical, posted a comprehensive explanation of his position and opinion of these agreements. In short, Shuttleworth [...]

  223. Dividindo para conquistar « sixhat pirate parts says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 11:19 am

    [...] outro lado da barricada, Ubuntu, Debian, RedHat e agora a Mandriva através do seu blogue, vem dizer que não concordam com esta [...]

  224. Alexey Novikov says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 11:34 am

    Thanks, Mark. And never surrender!

    From Russia.

  225. Greg says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 11:36 am

    Thank You, for standing up for what is right. Microsoft has too much of a grip on the world and it needs to end.

  226. Steve says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 11:53 am

    From what I gather, Mark, it’s not that Canonical and Ubuntu will not engage with Microsoft ever, but rather that it’s simply a case of choosing not to submit to the current extortionistic racketeering trick being employed by Microsoft to cull potential rivals via FUD. It’s not very pleasing to be told to “pay” protection by people in “this software thing of ours”. Additionally, Microsoft’s current tactic smacks of those used by a number of rogue nations within the past year. On the other hand, there are radical software freedom-fighters out there, whose stance is a bit too extreme and antiestablishment for my tastes.

    Mark, in order to provide the opportunity for a growing user community to use whatever combination of software will suit it best, while minimizing the negative impact of hidden costs and support issues experienced by many non-open source users, how will you go about implementing a positive, middle-ground approach to participant support?

    Thanks,
    Steve

  227. SamArthurAllen says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 12:04 pm

    Awesome Mark. I had a feeling that this day would come.

    The last article I read on this site was the post “DRM Doesn’t Work” http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/96 – some people never change, for everything else there’s Open Source.

  228. Paul Coleman says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    I like M$. No really, it keeps me employed, fixing all the problems that users come up against.

    Personally, however, every computer and server I own is Linux. I fought with the MS far to long, and after trying out Linux in a couple of different distros and seeing the power it has, I put MS where it belongs; in my trash. I do think that there is a time and place for everything, and honestly, I have worked within systems and with people where MS made more sense to use for a variety of reasons that go beyond the scope and limit of this blog and post.

    I have to admit, I was somewhat worried that MS would win this battle against Linux, however, after some thought, I determined that if they cannot produce a valid list of patent violations, they are no more powerful than a grade school bully. Stand up Linux and take a stand. I find it hard to believe that MS will ever produce a list, because they have just proven that bully tactics will work for the most part. It is not in their best interest to clarify the allegations, because then all of the skeletons in MS’s closet will also become visible. On the other hand, if we know what things are in violation, we just get to recoding to eliminate the problem. MS does not want that to happen either, (they would rather have the money) so they will continue to rant and blow smoke from their nostrils. In the end the M$Dragon will be slain. the M$ Emperor will indeed be found wearing no clothes.

    Keep up the good work.

  229. Mdeva says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    Thank You Mark,
    Freedom should not cost a thing!!
    Love Ubuntu&RedHat, keep it up.
    let us move forward with the open source revolution…

  230. Algunas empresas dicen que NO says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    [...] continuar trabajando de buena fé” Y por último, y ante los rumores, Mark Shuttleworth aclaro en su blog que no existe ningun tipo de negociacion entre Canonical y Microsoft; “Hemos rechazado [...]

  231. FreeSoftNews » Blog Archive » Ubuntu Weekly News: Issue #45 says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 6:36 pm

    [...] Recent rumours that Canonical might be signing a deal with Microsoft, similar to the patent deal that Novell, Xandros, Linspire and others have signed, was debunked by Mark this week in his blog. Mark stated, “We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements”. Speaking further about the OpenXML spec, he stated having “no confidence in Microsoft’s OpenXML specification to deliver a vibrant, competitive and healthy market of multiple implementations”. However, Mark did not rule out any future participation with Microsoft provided they “adopt a position of constructive engagement with the free software community”. You can read the full blog post at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127. [...]

  232. Mandriva Linux y Ubuntu no pactarán con Microsoft « Un poco de mucho says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 8:25 pm

    [...] Mark dice en su blog que las alegaciones de violación de patentes de Microsoft no tienen peso específico alguno, y que “no hay incentivos a la hora de trabajar con Microsoft en ninguna de las maravillosas cosas en las que podríamos trabajar juntos”. También añade que “la promesa de Microsoft de no demandar a las empresas por violación de patentes no tiene ningún valor y no vale la pena pagar por ello”. (traducción de los párrafos del blog de Mark por The Inquirer ES). [...]

  233. lyceum says: (permalink)
    June 20th, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    Just want to say thanks, and that I agree with every word you said. If MS wants to come to the plate with fair ground rules of collaboration on FOSS software, by all means I say let them in. We must be ready to accept anyone truly aiming for Free/Open Source Software. As long as they play these king of the hill games with bully tactics it is clear that they are not looking out for anyone’s best interest, not even their own.

  234. Paul says: (permalink)
    June 21st, 2007 at 3:47 am

    How does your position impact ubuntu’s cooperation with linspire

  235. blood says: (permalink)
    June 21st, 2007 at 8:22 am

    If M$ will ever make a list of his FUD:

    1 – there could be problems of counter-sue for patents that M$ declare as its own, but truly they are of someone else (it’s not uncommon to see patents rivendication from others)
    2 – companies that have signed the contract “blindly” could now understand what useless contract they signed for.
    3 – lots of problems of prior arts (since on 235 patents it’s most likely at least a 10% has a prior art case)

    Thanks Mark for having stated what U thought about this.
    I hope Red Hat will do the same soon; at November their CEO stated that the pact ith MS was NO GOOD AT ALL. I now hope that he’s still firm on that position.

  236. Be:Fox » Microsoft n'aura pas la mainmise sur Ubuntu - Le blog belge sur Firefox says: (permalink)
    June 21st, 2007 at 11:41 am

    [...] Shuttlewort, président de Canonical, a dit samedi sur un blog que « le marché qui ressemble à un pacte que Microsoft a signé avec Novell, Xandros et Linspire [...]

  237. Paul P says: (permalink)
    June 21st, 2007 at 12:01 pm

    Sorry Mark, if M$ is up to something. If Ubuntu ever does work with M$ on any project, it should be blacklisted. Nobody in this community needs M$ for any goods or services. I encourage others to do the same. We should never use or support any distro who works or deals with M$ in ANY aspect.
    We all know know the truth. M$ has no interest in helping the open source community. They have too much vested in Windows, and if you think they will help us here, your sadly mistaken. Any work with them is not to our benefit.
    The day Windows goes GPL is the day I will recognize the distros who collaborate with M$. Then we will see M$ is genuine. But until then. Goodbye Suse, Xandros, Linspire.

    just ignore M$, because I love my Ubuntu…

  238. giomini says: (permalink)
    June 21st, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    i’m a proud ubuntu and free software user, the only thing that i can say you is “thanks”

  239. » Now three Linux vendors won’t sign patent deals with Microsoft | All about Microsoft | ZDNet.com says: (permalink)
    June 21st, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    [...] at Red Hat, Canonical/Ubuntu and now Mandriva all say they have decided against signing similar [...]

  240. Ubuntu no firmará acuerdos con Microsoft « Balrof says: (permalink)
    June 21st, 2007 at 5:26 pm

    [...] Shuttleworth habla de ello en su blog, en el cual explica que las alegaciones de violación de patentes de Microsoft no tienen peso [...]

  241. Le Trung Nghia says: (permalink)
    June 22nd, 2007 at 10:12 am

    Please, advise me, How can we invite Mr. Mark Shuttleworth to come to Vietnam to talk to ICT decision makers of the Ministry of Post and Telematics about OpenDocument Format and FOSS? As I know, people of the Ministry want too, but How to contact him?

  242. Le Trung Nghia says: (permalink)
    June 22nd, 2007 at 10:15 am

    In addition, the meeting would be very good if it’ll happen in August, e.g. before the day that ISO would approve MS OOXML.

  243. Ubuntu, Mandriva e Red Hat dicono di no » StormedBrains says: (permalink)
    June 22nd, 2007 at 10:42 am

    [...] indicato in Ubuntu il prossimo candidato per un accordo di questo tipo, ma Mark Shuttleworth, in un post sul suo blog ha affermato che Canonical ed Ubuntu non si accorderanno mai con Microsoft, specificando che questo [...]

  244. Prabhakar says: (permalink)
    June 22nd, 2007 at 11:52 am

    Thank you very much, Prabhakar

  245. Microsoft, de “matón” de cole says: (permalink)
    June 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 pm

    [...] no todos han caído en la trampa, y otras como Ubuntu y Mandriva – que acaba de anunciarlo – se han negado a pagarle a Microsoft un duro por algo que ni [...]

  246. Picard says: (permalink)
    June 22nd, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    –Resistance is NOT futile–

  247. Vicente Raul Plata Fonseca [XnT] says: (permalink)
    June 22nd, 2007 at 3:35 pm

    Way to go Mark! I think it’s better to put things over the table and clarify them.

    I’ve seen Ubuntu grow since the 1st version and by now I think it’s even better than the distros of the companies that have accepted MS stuff. It’s a good way of starting the day, to see that indeed Ubuntu will keep into the Open Source path.

    I don’t think MS will ever come closer to FOSS Software, at least until we show them we’re stronger than them. And maybe we should start by making a better community. Removing trolls and so.

    But by now we know that we can keep using Ubuntu safely without being worried for a “team change”, and that’s pretty cool!!

  248. We will not go to Canossa « Open Source DZ says: (permalink)
    June 22nd, 2007 at 6:19 pm

    [...] de François Bancilhon, Mark Shuttleworth et Red [...]

  249. No negotiations with Microsoft in progress « MIS HISTORIAS says: (permalink)
    June 23rd, 2007 at 8:24 am

    [...] No negotiations with Microsoft in progress [...]

  250. Microsoft Alumni Network’s logo looks familiar… where have I seen that before? on BenFeldman.us says: (permalink)
    June 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pm

    [...] Windows Marketplace (link is through Duggmirror, Microsoft took it down). If you can’t take ‘em, may as well copy them, [...]

  251. Steve says: (permalink)
    June 24th, 2007 at 1:25 am

    Since Linux and Unix are the main standard that drives the servers and routers on the net, Can they not be made to simply deny MS?

  252. jrp1263 says: (permalink)
    June 24th, 2007 at 5:41 pm

    Gracias Mark. ¡No pasarán!

  253. Marco Rodrigues says: (permalink)
    June 24th, 2007 at 8:58 pm

    Nice Mark! That’s good for all Ubuntu Community :-)

    - An Ubuntu User from Portugal

  254. まレヽレニちσきレニTょッT=こ`⊂ » Mandriva、マイクロソフトとの提携を拒否 says: (permalink)
    June 25th, 2007 at 7:38 am

    [...]  人気の高い「Ubuntu」ディストリビューションを提供するCanonicalのMark Shuttleworth氏もBancilhon氏と同意見だ。Shuttleworth氏は2週間前、「Microsoftが不特定の特許侵害に対して訴えを起こさないという約束には何の意義もなく、対価を支払う価値はない。保護金を支払う人たちは自分たちは安全だと勘違いしている可能性が高い」と ブログ に書き込んでいる。 [...]

  255. Nickispeaki says: (permalink)
    June 25th, 2007 at 11:13 am

    you’re right, Mark!

    Linux Mint 3.0 user (on ubuntu 7.04) from Ukraine.

  256. Luke Benstead says: (permalink)
    June 25th, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    Thanks for the clarification Mark.

    There has been a petition set up at http://www.noooxml.org/petition as a stand against the OOXML format. Also in the UK the deadline for comments to the ISO standardization committee is June 30th. Mark will you / have you made your views clear to the UK standards committee?

  257. Luke says: (permalink)
    June 25th, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    Thanks Mark!
    That’s the way to go. ;-)

  258. Blitz - Stiri zilnice din IT, IT&C: tehnologie, internet, telecom, gadgets, jocuri » Stiri IT - Blitz RO » Microsoft, respins de o serie de distribuitori Linux says: (permalink)
    June 25th, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    [...] urma cu o saptamana, Mark Shuttleworth, CEO-ul lui Canonical, a respins de asemenea categoric ideea unui astfel de acord cu Microsoft, criticand pretentia de incalcare de [...]

  259. G. Warnecke says: (permalink)
    June 26th, 2007 at 8:18 am

    Cheers, mate!
    Please never ever deal with Microsoft in any way!
    They try to take over all OS – some Distros already start to give up and try to come to some sort of peace-treatement with MS, and even Steve Jobs seem to be tempted to make his peace with MS.
    But we definitivly need differrent OS – so the beg to you is: never ever deal with MS!
    Keep up the good work!
    And thank you for what you’ve given to the worldwide community!

  260. Rooikat says: (permalink)
    June 26th, 2007 at 10:36 am

    Kolskoot Mark!

    I installed kubuntu about a month ago on a dual boot system, through a bit of FUD, did not want to run it as a replacement for my XP just yet. Well my FUD were completely unfounded, am running it and loving it. Now to see your statement “No negotiations in progress with MS”, just makes me feel all that more secure in the knowledge that this “ubuntu Revolution” is not just a passing phase but a true and lasting endeavor in the quest for Free and Open source software.

    Thanks alot Mark! Viva ubuntu!

  261. Shuttleworth diz: “Ubuntu não fará pacto com Microsoft” « Case-Sensitive says: (permalink)
    June 27th, 2007 at 2:13 am

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth, o fundador da Canonical (empresa por trás do Ubuntu) escreveu em seu blog que o Ubuntu não fará de maneira nenhuma acordos com a Microsoft para se proteger de supostos [...]

  262. Microsoft and our Linux Friends - So far…. « C h a k s’ C o r n e r says: (permalink)
    June 28th, 2007 at 11:45 am

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth , Ubuntu – No Negotiations with Microsoft in Progress We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent [...]

  263. Juancis14 says: (permalink)
    June 28th, 2007 at 1:15 pm

    Well done, Microsoft is who violates the patents, It’s god for all Ubuntu, and all Linux users, community

    -An Ubuntu user from Uruguay

  264. EL WEBLOG DE EVERARDO » Archivo del Blog » Un usuario logra validar Ubuntu como “Windows auténtico” says: (permalink)
    June 28th, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth intenta despejar los rumores que apuntan a un inminente pacto de Canonical (Ubuntu) con Microsoft, un usuario se [...]

  265. SolidOffice » Blog Archive » Mark Shuttleworth: ODF Beats MSOOXML says: (permalink)
    June 29th, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth is unequivocal in his opinion that ODF is a superior format to MSOOXML: [...]

  266. TechTear :: T_T :: Blog Magazine de Tecnologia » GPL v3 liberada por la Free Software Foundation says: (permalink)
    June 29th, 2007 at 6:11 pm

    [...] cuanto a Canonical, Mark Shuttleworth, hace unos días salió a comentar que no entrarían en negociaciones con Microsoft, afirmando su compromiso público con la comunidad del Software [...]

  267. Ameurux says: (permalink)
    June 30th, 2007 at 9:52 am

    Let’s make it very simple… since 7.04 was released my Brother was a windows lover, he gave it a try installing (ubuntu)… what happened later.. in about 1 week … all my neighbors switched to Linux Ubuntu 7.04 and they currently using it forever…. an example here in Algeria Africa which some people call it Third World, people here are SWITCHING to Linux more and more every day… what’s that means to Microsoft?
    “If you pay XXXX $ for windows including some of the must install applications… and in the same time I tell you that there’s another OS that provides all what you paid for, and that OS is free and do the Job even much better and is called Linux, what should you choose?”

  268. UmatBlog » Blog Archive » Now three Linux vendors won’t sign patent deals with Microsoft says: (permalink)
    July 2nd, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    [...] at Red Hat, Canonical/Ubuntu and now Mandriva all say they have decided against signing similar [...]

  269. Microsoft alla sfida dell’Open « mastroblog says: (permalink)
    July 2nd, 2007 at 5:56 pm

    [...] rete. Mark Shuttleworth, boss di Canonical, un altro big del settore, per esempio, ha recentemente dichiarato di non credere che «questi accordi siano in favore del software [...]

  270. nischg.com - Derecho, tecnología y vida cotidiana » ¿Qué busca Microsoft en los acuerdos con Linux? says: (permalink)
    July 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pm

    [...] tranquilidad de todos los Ubunteros, Shuttleworth escribió que no está en los planes de Canonical entrar en este tipo de acuerdos mientras las condiciones [...]

  271. Andre says: (permalink)
    July 4th, 2007 at 1:17 am

    Well, Red Hat falled too. Please don’t fall. Fight against they. This is not only market, this is an History, an ideology. Don’t be more one to kill the Free Software spirit. We trust you.

  272. UbuntuOS » Blog Archive » Podcast #39 says: (permalink)
    July 4th, 2007 at 9:29 am

    [...] Another Nail in Microsoft’s Coffin [...]

  273. Anddy Pérez says: (permalink)
    July 6th, 2007 at 2:09 am

    Gente de mano firme y de grandes convicciones como esta es que necesitamos en el mundo, por favor nunca le venda el alma al diablo. Gracias.

  274. Cam says: (permalink)
    July 6th, 2007 at 4:15 am

    I hope that Mr. Shuttleworth has read the Halloween Documents. If not, he should, since they are leaked Microsoft plans for combating Linux. Particularly, he should read documents 1 and 2, since they describe how MS intends to disrupt Linux adoption. One document even mentions attempting to use copyrights and patents. I will also send this message to his email account.

    Cam.

  275. Ozdemir.CC ilhan Ozdemir'in Kisisel Sitesi » Blog Archive » Ubuntu-Microsoft anlaşması gündemde değil says: (permalink)
    July 6th, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    [...] Ubuntu ile Microsoft arasında benzer görüşmelerin yürütüldüğü söylentileriyle ilgili Mark Shuttleworth web günlüğünde yorum yaptı. Source: [Link] Leave a comment Comment RSS Previous: Sahte [...]

  276. Mark’s (we)Blog » The Microsoft-Novell alliance - good, bad or ugly? says: (permalink)
    July 9th, 2007 at 2:24 pm

    [...] [Mark Shuttleworth, founder of the Ubuntu project [...]

  277. No se confundan con el Monstruo de los Tentáculos | bootlog says: (permalink)
    July 11th, 2007 at 12:46 am

    [...] Red Hat: “No, gracias. No estamos interesados”. — Ubuntu: “¿De qué patentes nos están hablando?”. — Mandriva: “Váyase a la [...]

  278. bilgisayar-destek » Ubuntu-Microsoft anlaşması gündemde değil says: (permalink)
    July 20th, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    [...] Ubuntu ile Microsoft arasında benzer görüşmelerin yürütüldüğü söylentileriyle ilgili Mark Shuttleworth web günlüğünde yorum yaptı. Shuttleworth, patent ihlali iddialarıyla ilgili bahsi geçen [...]

  279. Maik says: (permalink)
    July 24th, 2007 at 6:28 pm

    Thanks Mark!
    You have it and will always have it: MY SUPPORT!

  280. Scott Ainslie Sutton » Blog Archive » Just Pack Your Bags And Leave; Why Did Linspire Submit To Microsoft? says: (permalink)
    July 30th, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    [...] could have refused to comply with Microsoft’s demand; as Red Hat Inc., Mandriva Corp. and Canonical Ltd. have [...]

  281. Christian says: (permalink)
    July 31st, 2007 at 1:46 am

    Congrats for taking a strong stand (once more) for the free software movement, Mark. Just as RMS, you seem to be understanding quite well the larger political and ethical issues behind the free VS commercial software, which are still not enough understood by many developpers of the GNU/Linux community, as to what it seems. Microsoft Corporation is known for its overly invasive and nearly-savage business practices, and they must be clearly shown that they can’t impose their restrictive and socially unfair views to the Open source and GNU/Linux movement… It’s really time for a change.

  282. براءات اختراع البرمجيات.. وكبح عجلة التطور « جَديد says: (permalink)
    August 2nd, 2007 at 12:55 am

    [...] يخيف هذا التصريح الشركات إلا أن العكس حدث فبعدها تجد أن شركة كانونيكال مقدمة توزيعة أوبنتو أعلنتها صريحة أنه لا اتفاقات ستعقد مع ميكروسوفت وكذلك أعلنتها [...]

  283. Dany Alejandro says: (permalink)
    August 26th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    A big thanks in the name of the country of Colombia, Mark. We are a poor country that values free software because common people just cant afford licences… We arent even a target of Microsoft’s market.

    Some days ago, the police in my town took the computers of like 100 ppl because they had pirated software (punctually windows xp); that kind of stuff happens daily over all my country because 98% of the computers have pirated software. Money doesnt value much here, and we just CANT pay microsoft. There’s people here who doesnt even know what a licence is, because when you buy a PC here it comes with pirated software right from the start.

    Ppl are starting to use ubuntu here (my gf told me how the internet cafe she goes to installed ubuntu and she had to learn from the start lol) and it’s starting to get a good reputation. Ubuntu is an alternative for us to use pirated software.

    thanks.

  284. Dominic says: (permalink)
    August 26th, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    It is good to see that the OS which introduced me to the Linux/Open Source community is refraining from being manipulated by MS into an agreement with them on grounds which would result in my replacing Ubuntu with a distro that has no such ties with Redmond. Taking the plunge and installing Ubuntu almost a year ago remains to be the best decision I have hitherto made with regards to personal computing. It would be a shame to lose such a well designed, usable, and user-friendly OS as (K)(X)Ubuntu. To lose the amazing support of the entire Ubuntu community would be a travesty.

    It seems clear to me, however, that as Ubuntu (or any other Linux distro) grows and gains more and more users, so will the demand for interoperability between MSWin/proprietary and Open Source software increase. To rule out any form of negotiation and possible future agreements with proprietary software developers, and in particular with a monopoly such as MS, would be sheer folly.

    Long may Ubuntu, Canonical, and all who work to provide point and click Joe Bloggs end users such as I with excellent free software, fail to dissapoint me.

  285. Dominic says: (permalink)
    August 26th, 2007 at 11:20 pm

    It is good to see that the OS which introduced me to the Linux/Open Source community is refraining from being manipulated by MS into an agreement with them on grounds which would result in my replacing Ubuntu with a distro that has no such ties with Redmond. Taking the plunge and installing Ubuntu almost a year ago remains to be the best decision I have hitherto made with regards to personal computing. It would be a shame to lose such a well designed, usable, and user-friendly OS as (K)(X)Ubuntu. To lose the amazing support of the entire Ubuntu community would be a travesty.

    It seems clear to me, however, that as Ubuntu (or any other Linux distro) grows and gains more and more users, so will the demand for interoperability between MSWin/proprietary and Open Source software increase. To rule out any form of negotiation and possible future agreements with proprietary software developers, and in particular with a monopoly such as MS, would be sheer folly.

    Long may Ubuntu, Canonical, and all who work to provide point and click Joe Bloggs end users such as I with excellent free software, fail to disappoint me.

  286. blog/cboyer.net » Blog Archive » More Microsoft FUD says: (permalink)
    October 9th, 2007 at 8:58 pm

    [...] and Ubuntu both recently rejected Microsoft. As Mark Shuttleworth recently stated on his blog. “We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified [...]

  287. Ubuntu Tells Microsoft “No Thanks” » ServerPronto University says: (permalink)
    October 19th, 2007 at 9:12 pm

    [...] Click here to read the post from Saturday in Shuttleworth’s blog. [...]

  288. Mighty Linuxz » Blog Archive » Ubuntu: No negotiations with Microsoft in progress says: (permalink)
    October 28th, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    [...] read more | digg story [...]

  289. Sven Dirks says: (permalink)
    November 3rd, 2007 at 11:17 pm

    Hi,

    Yes, please, keep away from MS. Unless independant operating systems start to make a real impression on the market there will only be a technically inferior, overpriced monopoly. I do not grudge Bill Gates his Billions, he was just clever and lucky, but I do begrudge MS ist monopoly and its power to stop technological advance.

    greetings from Vienna

    Sven

  290. Cossacks Breaking News » No Microsoft-Ubuntu Deal in the Works says: (permalink)
    November 20th, 2007 at 9:05 am

    [...] company’s CEO said http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127 on his personal Web log over the weekend that despite the rumors, there are no negotiations with [...]

  291. Cossacks Breaking News » Red Hat, Ubuntu, Reject Talks With Microsoft says: (permalink)
    November 20th, 2007 at 11:34 am

    [...] commercial support to Ubuntu through his company Canonical Ltd. Shuttleworth posted the statement http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127 Earlier this month, Linspire, which also distributes a desktop version of Linux, [...]

  292. Alanat Coop News » No Microsoft-Ubuntu Deal in the Works says: (permalink)
    November 20th, 2007 at 5:40 pm

    [...] company’s CEO said http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/127 on his personal Web log over the weekend that despite the rumors, there are no negotiations with [...]

  293. melissa says: (permalink)
    December 4th, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    Finally, someone with BALLS to stay away from the bea$t of redmond.

    It’s going to take BALLS to continue to push Linux to the mainstream.

    NO DEALS!

    Look what happened to Corel Linux many years ago. The same thing will happen to those who make deals with the devil.

  294. Valentin Arfire says: (permalink)
    December 15th, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    Of course Linux is a stand against the infamous Microsoft products. Of course on the main page of the Ubuntu there is the philosophy close to each one’s heart “Our work is driven by a philosophy on software freedom that aims to spread and bring the benefits of software to all parts of the world. At the core of the Ubuntu Philosophy are these core philosophical ideals:

    1. Every computer user should have the freedom to download, run, copy, distribute, study, share, change and improve their software for any purpose, without paying licensing fees.
    2. Every computer user should be able to use their software in the language of their choice.
    3. Every computer user should be given every opportunity to use software, even if they work under a disability.”
    But when it comes to professional attitude everyone I know will sustain the open source software only in a declarative way and do certain compromises – such as using proprietary documents or software even when it is about company’s internal work flow.
    I even know programmers that work on Windows open source software with incredible effort. So what is it to be done in order to promote and strengthen Ubuntu? How come that, even on a personal level, I need the infamous Windows on my computer in order to get the things I need done?

  295. Opinión: Mark Shuttleworth aclara que NO habrá acuerdos con micro$oft sobre patentes « Ubuntu Destiny says: (permalink)
    December 20th, 2007 at 10:27 pm

    [...] los rumores que se propagan por internet, Mark Shuttleworth, líder y fundador de Ubuntu, aclara en su blog que Ubuntu “ha declinado discutir cualquier acuerdo con Microsoft bajo la amenaza de [...]

  296. S4ck34ndo la Red » Blog Archive » Un usuario logra validar Ubuntu como “Windows auténtico” says: (permalink)
    December 21st, 2007 at 2:33 am

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth intenta despejar los rumores que apuntan a un inminente pacto de Canonical (Ubuntu) con Microsoft, un usuario se [...]

  297. 肺癌 says: (permalink)
    December 22nd, 2007 at 5:56 am

    Gente de mano firme y de grandes convicciones como esta es que necesitamos en el mundo, por favor nunca le venda el alma al diablo. Gracias.

  298. Threshold-Zero » Ubuntu’s Mark Shuttleworth Says “No” to Microsoft Protection Racket says: (permalink)
    December 29th, 2007 at 2:31 am

    [...] No negotiations with Microsoft in progress—MarkShuttleworth.com [...]

  299. O.S. Revolution » Nella tela del ragno fatta di FUD e interoperabilità by Microsoft says: (permalink)
    December 30th, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    [...] No negotiations with Microsoft in progress [...]

  300. Traduction du blog de Mark Shuttleworth says: (permalink)
    January 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    [...] de Mark Shuttleworth concernant des rumeurs de collaboration entre Ubuntu et Microsoft (voir : No negotiations with Microsoft in progress), et convaincu que la lecture des réflexions de ce grand Patron du logiciel libre pourrait [...]

  301. Canonical, Red Hat e Mandriva dizem não a Microsoft | Ubuntero says: (permalink)
    February 26th, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    [...] quem entende inglês, em seu blog, Mark Shuttleworth escreveu o que pensa sobre este [...]

  302. Technology latest news » Blog Archive » Red Hat, Ubuntu, Reject Talks With Microsoft (TechWeb) says: (permalink)
    February 28th, 2008 at 5:41 am

    [...] commercial support to Ubuntu through his company Canonical Ltd. Shuttleworth posted the statement in his blog over the weekend. Earlier this month, Linspire, which also distributes a desktop version of Linux, became the [...]

  303. BALUG: Mark Shuttleworth and Digital Tipping Point says: (permalink)
    March 27th, 2008 at 6:27 am

    [...] Microsoft made software cheaper as a good thing Microsoft has done, although he didn’t see a need to license patents from them. I got the idea that Mark thinks that injecting venom into discussions about open-source [...]

  304. BALUG: Mark Shuttleworth and Digital Tipping Point | Jake Ruston's Personal Site says: (permalink)
    March 31st, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    [...] Microsoft made software cheaper as a good thing Microsoft has done, although he didn’t see a need to license patents from them. I got the idea that Mark thinks that injecting venom into discussions about open-source [...]

  305. GNUvox @ FSC » Blog Archive » La “protezione” di Microsoft non interessa a tutti says: (permalink)
    April 12th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    [...] anche la ferma posizione di Shuttleworth che, sul suo blog, si esprime un po’ a 360° sulla questione: Allegations of “infringement of [...]

  306. 451 CAOS Theory » 451 CAOS Links - 2007.06.18 says: (permalink)
    May 23rd, 2008 at 5:42 am

    [...] No negotiations with Microsoft in progress, here be dragons, Mark Shuttleworth (Blog) [...]

  307. Mandriva Linux y Ubuntu no pactarán con Microsoft | unpocodemucho.com says: (permalink)
    July 13th, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    [...] Mark dice en su blog que las alegaciones de violación de patentes de Microsoft no tienen peso específico alguno, y que “no hay incentivos a la hora de trabajar con Microsoft en ninguna de las maravillosas cosas en las que podríamos trabajar juntos”. También añade que “la promesa de Microsoft de no demandar a las empresas por violación de patentes no tiene ningún valor y no vale la pena pagar por ello”. (traducción de los párrafos del blog de Mark por The Inquirer ES). [...]

  308. links for 2008-10-20 « My place says: (permalink)
    October 20th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » No negotiations with Microsoft in progress We have declined to discuss any agreement with Microsoft under the threat of unspecified patent infringements. Allegations of “infringement of unspecified patents” carry no weight whatsoever. We don’t think they have any legal merit, and they are no incentive for us to work with Microsoft on any of the wonderful things we could do together. A promise by Microsoft not to sue for infringement of unspecified patents has no value at all and is not worth paying for. It does not protect users from the real risk of a patent suit from a pure-IP-holder (Microsoft itself is regularly found to violate such patents and regularly settles such suits). People who pay protection money for that promise are likely living in a false sense of security. (tags: ubuntu linux free open source software microsoft is a threat against patents intellectual property mark shuttleworth odf ooxml) [...]

  309. Ubuntu Making Moves « The-Source.com says: (permalink)
    June 13th, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    [...] long as Mark Shuttleworth sticks to his guns and recognizes Microsofts “IP claims” as “racketeering”, this program is a [...]