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		<title>By: Inez</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-273687</link>
		<dc:creator>Inez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Shuttleworth, 

you lost me at the schedule seven drug reference for economic pain and crack cocaine jab to the jaw, but thank you for the overview. It was enjoyable reading. I read this webpage in the hope of finding updates on software etc presented in a relevant and understandable format. I often sign off feeling a little stupid though. However, I hope to sound clever quoting and paraphrasing you in thishere article, one of these fine Cape evenings, chewing the fat over hopeless economics and faithless leaders. 

However, here in the deep south of Africa, we are experiencing an almighty credit crunch on the back end of crazy consumerism, insanely indulged property prices, often ineffectual leadership and all most of us have to show for it, is cheese cake going for 45ZAR per slice at The Waterfront. The effect of HIGH interest rates and inflation are battering our hearts and minds and wallets. Whether the intricacies can be translated into a corrolary of the US situation, I don&#039;t feign to comprehend. But at the heart of economic crisis, is surely the same human condition, regardless of it&#039;s cause. More than the Medicine analogy for US fiscal policy and central bank maneuvres, it is surely the health of a nation that is in jeopardy. The collective consciousness of a people. Without knowing the details of economic pain in the US, I can say from the content of their tabloids and media, that their foundation is not secure, that they strive in emptiness.  But in such a perilous and vulnerable common state, how does one then combat hopelessness and lack of ownership in its pure sense. 

Addressing and improving a nation&#039;s morale and morals, without resorting to the temporary high of a credit card transaction , an hour with a motivational speaker, beaching in the Bahamas or new Nike&#039;s, seems an impossible task. Raising a people who have judgement and act autonomously, of independent thought and discernment is necessary to establish a &quot;mature&quot; nation, who won&#039;t be led round by the nose. 

How do you heal a nation? How do you transform the untransformable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Shuttleworth, </p>
<p>you lost me at the schedule seven drug reference for economic pain and crack cocaine jab to the jaw, but thank you for the overview. It was enjoyable reading. I read this webpage in the hope of finding updates on software etc presented in a relevant and understandable format. I often sign off feeling a little stupid though. However, I hope to sound clever quoting and paraphrasing you in thishere article, one of these fine Cape evenings, chewing the fat over hopeless economics and faithless leaders. </p>
<p>However, here in the deep south of Africa, we are experiencing an almighty credit crunch on the back end of crazy consumerism, insanely indulged property prices, often ineffectual leadership and all most of us have to show for it, is cheese cake going for 45ZAR per slice at The Waterfront. The effect of HIGH interest rates and inflation are battering our hearts and minds and wallets. Whether the intricacies can be translated into a corrolary of the US situation, I don&#8217;t feign to comprehend. But at the heart of economic crisis, is surely the same human condition, regardless of it&#8217;s cause. More than the Medicine analogy for US fiscal policy and central bank maneuvres, it is surely the health of a nation that is in jeopardy. The collective consciousness of a people. Without knowing the details of economic pain in the US, I can say from the content of their tabloids and media, that their foundation is not secure, that they strive in emptiness.  But in such a perilous and vulnerable common state, how does one then combat hopelessness and lack of ownership in its pure sense. </p>
<p>Addressing and improving a nation&#8217;s morale and morals, without resorting to the temporary high of a credit card transaction , an hour with a motivational speaker, beaching in the Bahamas or new Nike&#8217;s, seems an impossible task. Raising a people who have judgement and act autonomously, of independent thought and discernment is necessary to establish a &#8220;mature&#8221; nation, who won&#8217;t be led round by the nose. </p>
<p>How do you heal a nation? How do you transform the untransformable?</p>
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		<title>By: Ike Hall</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-260144</link>
		<dc:creator>Ike Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice analysis, Mr. Shuttleworth, but you missed the mark. Not your fault, you merely followed conventional economic wisdom. As such, you were far too kind to Greenspan. His chairmanship is rapidly proving to be a disaster, because all of the things that are happening now were set up on his watch. &quot;Helicopter Ben&quot; Bernanke is merely the recipient of Greenspan&#039;s aggressively inflationary policy which has already seen stock-market meltdowns, dot-com booms and busts, and now, housing booms and busts. Only by permitting the malinvestments to fail will we have any chance of recovery. As usual, the Austrians are the only ones who correctly forecast the current situation. I strongly recommend Murray Rothbard&#039;s The Case Against the Fed, plus anything over at www.mises.org.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice analysis, Mr. Shuttleworth, but you missed the mark. Not your fault, you merely followed conventional economic wisdom. As such, you were far too kind to Greenspan. His chairmanship is rapidly proving to be a disaster, because all of the things that are happening now were set up on his watch. &#8220;Helicopter Ben&#8221; Bernanke is merely the recipient of Greenspan&#8217;s aggressively inflationary policy which has already seen stock-market meltdowns, dot-com booms and busts, and now, housing booms and busts. Only by permitting the malinvestments to fail will we have any chance of recovery. As usual, the Austrians are the only ones who correctly forecast the current situation. I strongly recommend Murray Rothbard&#8217;s The Case Against the Fed, plus anything over at <a href="http://www.mises.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.mises.org</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Evangelina</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-257799</link>
		<dc:creator>Evangelina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

I&#039;ll dare abuse your blog a little and invite people to joing something that is of great not only American but international interest too, the 2008 US elections of course. 

&quot;Hillary Clinton vs Obama (Global Discussion)&quot;

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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12631245305&amp;ref=share

(And once you are done with that  you might want to get a burning desire to go to

http://www.facebook.com/inbox/readupdates.php?id=6662822757 )


Best,

Evangelina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll dare abuse your blog a little and invite people to joing something that is of great not only American but international interest too, the 2008 US elections of course. </p>
<p>&#8220;Hillary Clinton vs Obama (Global Discussion)&#8221;</p>
<p>Description:<br />
The American Presidency affects everyone on Earth. Please have your say, and do something about it, so that American people can be more aware of the choice they are making.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12631245305&amp;ref=share" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=12631245305&amp;ref=share</a></p>
<p>(And once you are done with that  you might want to get a burning desire to go to</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/inbox/readupdates.php?id=6662822757" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/inbox/readupdates.php?id=6662822757</a> )</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Evangelina</p>
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		<title>By: Embardée économique</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-252894</link>
		<dc:creator>Embardée économique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] française de l&#8217;article &#8220;Economic oversteering&#8220;. Auteur : Mark Shuttleworth - Traducteur : Bernard [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Economic 'voodoo has no mojo' « the spike</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-251832</link>
		<dc:creator>Economic 'voodoo has no mojo' « the spike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is an essay written by South African tech entrepreneur, Mark Shuttleworth, a couple of weeks ago, in response [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Me on Marc Fleury on Mark Shuttleworth on the economy (and fed rate cuts) &#171; Fiji Ecuador Seattle Greece Montana</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-250261</link>
		<dc:creator>Me on Marc Fleury on Mark Shuttleworth on the economy (and fed rate cuts) &#171; Fiji Ecuador Seattle Greece Montana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shuttleworth on the economy (and fed rate&#160;cuts)    I enjoyed reading Marc&#8217;s comments on Mark Shuttleworth&#8217;s blog post about the fed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shuttleworth on the economy (and fed rate&nbsp;cuts)    I enjoyed reading Marc&#8217;s comments on Mark Shuttleworth&#8217;s blog post about the fed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: over the moon</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-249341</link>
		<dc:creator>over the moon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 17:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doesn&#039;t the U.S. Federal Government own most of the land in the United States? Wouldn&#039;t it be a boost for the economy and better for humanity (oops we&#039;re talking Federal Government here, I mean better for the Government since humanity never factors in) were they to free up some land for more Americans to own?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doesn&#8217;t the U.S. Federal Government own most of the land in the United States? Wouldn&#8217;t it be a boost for the economy and better for humanity (oops we&#8217;re talking Federal Government here, I mean better for the Government since humanity never factors in) were they to free up some land for more Americans to own?</p>
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		<title>By: marc</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-247691</link>
		<dc:creator>marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://marcf.blogspot.com/2008/02/economics-and-optimism.html

Don&#039;t blame bernanke, he is doing the right thing</description>
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<p>Don&#8217;t blame bernanke, he is doing the right thing</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have written a good article Mark that presents a relatively robust theory on what has been driving the US&#039;s recent, longer then normal, economic growth cycle but don&#039;t think that you are entirely correct on some points.  As I am sure you know, having made a respectable living from it, there have been substantial productivity increases in the US economy over the past 15 years due to the &quot;information revolution&quot; (to use an old term) and the subsequent advances that have risen out of this field since; the vast majority of these advances and developments coming out of the United States.  

It is true that much of the productivity gains in global production output have come from China and India over this time period which accounts for much of the increase in relative wealth (such as purchasing power parity, ie you can buy relatively more with the same amount of money) in developed countries.  However it has also not been the only one as the US (and OEDC countries in general) have also experienced genuine productivity gains of there own over this period.  Having said that these productivity gains are nothing in comparison to the gain experienced in India and China, but then again India and China are both coming off a very low base and still remain a lot less productive then in OEDC countries.

Having said all of that I think that the crux of your argument remains very valid.  Perhaps cutting interest rates so aggressively over the past 15 years has indeed done more bad then good.  Either way, only time will reveal that answer to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have written a good article Mark that presents a relatively robust theory on what has been driving the US&#8217;s recent, longer then normal, economic growth cycle but don&#8217;t think that you are entirely correct on some points.  As I am sure you know, having made a respectable living from it, there have been substantial productivity increases in the US economy over the past 15 years due to the &#8220;information revolution&#8221; (to use an old term) and the subsequent advances that have risen out of this field since; the vast majority of these advances and developments coming out of the United States.  </p>
<p>It is true that much of the productivity gains in global production output have come from China and India over this time period which accounts for much of the increase in relative wealth (such as purchasing power parity, ie you can buy relatively more with the same amount of money) in developed countries.  However it has also not been the only one as the US (and OEDC countries in general) have also experienced genuine productivity gains of there own over this period.  Having said that these productivity gains are nothing in comparison to the gain experienced in India and China, but then again India and China are both coming off a very low base and still remain a lot less productive then in OEDC countries.</p>
<p>Having said all of that I think that the crux of your argument remains very valid.  Perhaps cutting interest rates so aggressively over the past 15 years has indeed done more bad then good.  Either way, only time will reveal that answer to us.</p>
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		<title>By: EduardoWillians</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/139/comment-page-2#comment-245745</link>
		<dc:creator>EduardoWillians</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shuttleworth, I liked your post so much that I translated it to brazilian portuguese. I reviewed the translation again and again to make sure I was doing it right.

Tank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shuttleworth, I liked your post so much that I translated it to brazilian portuguese. I reviewed the translation again and again to make sure I was doing it right.</p>
<p>Tank you.</p>
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