Playing nicely with Windows

Wednesday, April 9th, 2008

Windows is a very important platform, and our justifiable pride in Linux and the GNU stack shouldn’t blind us to the importance of delivering software that is widely useful. I believe in bringing free software to people in a way that is exciting and empowering to them, and one of the key ways to do that is to show them amazing free software running on their familiar platform, whether that’s Windows or the MacOS.

Firefox, for example, is an inspiring free software success story, and I’m certain that a key driver of that success is their excellent support for the Windows environment. It’s a quick download and an easy install that Just Works, after which people can actually FEEL that free software delivers an innovative and powerful browsing experience that is plainly better than the proprietary alternatives. I’ve noticed that many of the best free software projects have a good Windows story. MySQL and PostgreSQL both do. Bazaar works well too. And users love it – users that may then be willing to take a step closer to living in the GNU world entirely.

So, I was absolutely delighted with the way Agostino Russo and Evan Dandrea steered the Windows-native installer for Ubuntu into 8.04 LTS. What I think is really classy about it is the way it uses the Windows Boot Manager sensibly to offer you the Ubuntu option. If I was a Windows user who was intrigued but nervous about Linux, this would be a really great way to get a taste of it, at low risk. Being able to install and uninstall a Linux OS as if it were a Windows app is a brilliant innovation. Kudos to Agostino and Evan, and of course also to the guys who pioneered this sort of thinking (it’s been done in a number of different ways). It looks crisp, clean and very professional:

Ubuntu being installed through Windows

I’m a little daunted at something as new as WUBI being the very first experience that people have of Linux, free software and Ubuntu, but initial reports are positive.  I did have a question from the media that started with “it didn’t work for me but…” which makes me a wee bit nervous.

So – yesterday I suggested folks hammer on the Heron for servers, today, here’s a call for folks who have a Windows machine and would like to see WUBI in action to test it out and let the developers know if there are any last-minute gotchas. Happy hunting!

85 comments:

  1. Vadim P. says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    This’ll get knocked, but imo, this is *brilliant*. Very, very well done in all aspects. Now I can quiet the ‘but it’s too hard to install…’ worries by saying it’s as easy as another Windows program!

  2. Martin says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    I gladly would, but I don’t have Windows anymore :)

  3. Micke says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    You are absolutely right that we (the free software world) need to deliver good applications for Windows. My own road to Linux on the desktop began with using programs like Firefox, Thunderbird, gaim (aka pidgin), jEdit, Unison etc. for Windows. When I eventually found myself using almost nothing but free software I knew that I was ready to switch to Linux full-time. That was in late 2004 and the distribution I chose was Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog ;) Needless to say, I have never looked back since.

  4. Peteris Krisjanis says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 1:37 pm

    What I like about WUBI that it is seriously sexy, it looks sleek and with Tango icons…damn, it rules :)

  5. jimcooncat says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    Mark, I’m curious as to how many Windows machines you have hanging around? Or did you have to borrow one to make this screenshot?

    Mark Shuttleworth says: I used the screenshot in the blog which was describing WUBI. The link to the blog is in the article, too.

  6. Joergen Ramskov says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    In that regard, I think KDE4 is going to be very interesting to follow since it will now be available natively on both *nix, OS X and Windows.

  7. Agostino Russo says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    Thanks a lot Mark,

    I am blushed. I would like to also mention Colin J. Watson, who ported large chunks of the Wubi back-end code to Ubuntu during the 7.10 cycle, and the other developers that contributed in the early stages of Wubi development (Geza Kovacs, Oliver Mattos, and Hampus Wessman), as well as the grub4dos and ntfs-3g developers. Wubi had a double aim: encourage people to try what Ubuntu/Linux have to offer and slash urban legends about Linux difficulty, starting with the user first experience: the installer. That proved to be way more challenging than I had originally anticipated when the project was started, but I am pleased with the current offering and we are working on ironing out the few remaining issues to ensure a smooth ride for new users. In that respect, your appeal is much appreciated since most of the Wubi user base has traditionally been represented by Linux first-timers. That is of course very encouraging because it means we are on target, but precise technical feedback is also very much welcome, particularly in such closing stages. Anyone that would like to report glitches or ask for support is encouraged to use the Wubi forum (http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234) or launchpad (https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/).

  8. VladV says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    It does look sleek, minimalistic and it has that “just works” feel…except that it didn’t :( I tried to install it on my mom’s desktop – I really thought it was a brilliant chance to show her Linux without shrinking her XP partition. It just wouldn’t boot, in either full or safe mode. I didn’t give it a second try for lack of time. I would try it on my dual boot system at home but I’m afraid it would mess up my boot loader, which already lists Kubuntu and XP…

    Mark Shuttleworth says: I’m sorry to hear that, have you filed a bug? Evan and Agostino would probably appreciate any detailed information you have on the failure.

  9. Ant Bryan says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Wubi’s an important part of the puzzle…

    Thanks to Ago & Evan for their work!

  10. LR says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

    I never was able to compleate the download.
    I tried on two different computers. Twice on a laptop and once on a tower.
    It would download over halfway and then just stop.
    I would like this on my laptop,but it’s not going to happen.

  11. Nanley Chery says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    I had some free time on my hand so I decided to test out Wubi. I was suprised to find it didn’t work (it did in Gutsy). Here’s the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/214716

  12. Phil says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Honestly I look forward to each release just to see what the Windows crowd will give as an excuse next since their excuses are falling apart one by one. Theres no danger in trying a full install now and no risk of not being able to go back or losing data.

  13. The Hideout » Blog Archive » Playing nicely with Windows says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 7:56 pm

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  14. martin jasny says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    I am just worried if there is any Linux distribution at all, which can be installed on my new Dell Optiplex 330, directly or via Windows. I have tried 6 live CDs (Knoppix 5.1.1, SimplyMepis 7, Ubuntu 6, Kubuntu 6, Debian 4.0 etch and a recent CentOS) on my new Dell Optiplex 330 and ALL have failed. Most of them did not even get past the boot process. Actually, this is a worse result than I had 4 years ago. At that time I had only Knoppix 3.4 and I could install it on 3 different machines.

    I wonder if someone can help me or if the next version of Ubuntu/Kubuntu can be improved so that it installs on wide-spread machines like Dell or Compaq/HP witout hitches.

  15. HoneyPot says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    I can see Wubi becoming a honey pot attracting CIOs and executives in corporations. You guys are doing a great job and make sure it is as reliable and robust as possible.

  16. Russ says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    I just got a new work laptop, it of course runs windows. I’ll be doing a fair amount of linux development, and so I’ll need a linux install. This is perfect. Not only that, but I can also setup co-workers with it.

  17. martin jasny says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Just some more information: I have a screen resolution of 1600 x 1200 which caused troubles in some distributions.

  18. ckunte.com | The joy of using Ubuntu says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    [...] might want to read about my return to Linux desktop I wrote a few months ago. There’s also a nice plug by Mark Shuttleworth commending WUBI developers on making the transition to Ubuntu—for Windows users—even [...]

  19. Phil S. says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Like Martin, I would gladly try/help. But my machines have been windows-free for the last 3 or 4 years. I’m currently running Ubuntu 7.10, waiting for the release of Kubuntu 8.04… I don’t think I even have any windows install media in the house…

  20. Oak says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 11:23 pm

    Can someone tell me if by using Wubi to install Ubuntu 8.04 on Windows, will Windows still have to have virus protection while solely using the Ubuntu system to do your browsing or will it have full control over the system and prevent anything from happening in the Windows area? I’m a newbie who has installed Ubuntu in the past and created some nice headaches for myself since I couldn’t figure out some things that really bugged me, but I’m excited to try 8.04 and KDE 4.

    Thanks

  21. Anthony E says: (permalink)
    April 9th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    I’m sorry but i would have to disagree.. I believe that the porting of linux apps/game is holding back the linux as a desktop..
    I believe thats apps like gimp, mozilla, many open source games.. being ported is not the correct course of action. Most believe that software of that quality that was originally designed for the linux platform being used on a windows platform will be looked at upon by a windows users as being a good alternative. .but a good percentage see it as the later a alternative.. Why try linux to give gimp a try when it comes on windows, when try firefox because its on windows.. etc etc for alot of application.. Some will present it with a option to show that open source will design/build great software.. Not to forget that on those projects finding problems related to the other operating system will add additional strain to the developers of that software. Example: if gimp has problems running/installing/or crashes under windows.. Email the developer.. If mozilla locks up email the dev.. doesn’t go in as it should.. They would see that the program or open source software is faulty..

    I mean it not like it works vice/versa when Windows developer look at the linux platform and plan to port.. it depends on if its profitable.. I say we do that same.. Like the developer of Xchat.. The old win32 binaries was free but he now charges for the Win32 binaries.. People can compile the software them selfs for free but if they don’t know how to or don’t want to spend the time there a for a fee charge for the binary…

    This would provide revenue for open source software and stop being used as a alternative for a broken product.. People would still pay 9.99 for open office if they didn’t want to buy Microsoft office..

  22. Jim Cady says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 12:49 am

    I haven’t actually been able to do a wubi install yet, but I think it’s a great idea and a huge step forward.

    The next step will be to either a) implement an option to import not just your windows documents, but your actual windows programs (are you listening WINE?), or b) implement an option to move your existing windows installation INSIDE of ubuntu.

    I support people on a variety of platforms, and I push free/libre wherever possible (including Ubuntu, 2 customer installs and counting). But, I also push cross-platform software even if it’s proprietary (moneydance comes to mind). As one of my best customers is fond of saying, “When I buy a drill bit, I don’t want the drill bit…I want the hole.” Users want a consistent and understandable experience, period. So, if you can provide them with a way to do the same things in the same way on their windows machine at work and their mac/linux/acorn/whatever at home, they’ll love you.

    In a ‘perfect world’ ™ software would not only be platform independent but platform irrelevant…until then, wubi and related projects are a giant step up.

  23. Jay says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Half court for three! Swish! When Wubi is refined out of beta I bet it would make an excellent addition to the existing open source Windows software on the Ubuntu DVD and CD’s. Evan and Agostino, you two are sooo money.. I will be sure to file all bugs with detailed information. Mr. Shuttleworth, Thank you very much for creating Ubuntu. It is philosophies and insight like yours that will take technology to its greatest levels. “With more eyes on the code, the future will be told.”

  24. GZ says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 3:58 am

    Wubi looks interesting… however, I think for a first time Linux user it would be much safer to install it under a virtualized environment. This is a nice virtualization tool (open source, of course) http://www.virtualbox.org

  25. Mark Shuttleworth razona el porqué de Wubi en Ubuntu « Entre tuxes y pepinos says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 5:26 am

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  26. Amol A Sale says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 7:24 am

    I have many friends who do not understand the installation program, particularly adding swap space or partitioning part. So now I am planning to arrange one demo and show them that “How easy it is” to install linux. So that many of them will be able to land successfully onto Linux planet.
    Thank you very much WUBI team for giving such a nice and useful tool. And Ubuntu just rocks!!!

  27. Gijs says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 7:45 am

    Wubi might be even more complete if it would offer to wrap the original Windows installation into a virtual disk image to be used with Virtualbox or vmware. This way, windows would still be accessible from Ubuntu, but wouldn’t take a large chunk out of the available hard disk space *and* wouldn’t require the fresh Ubuntu user to reboot before having access to his prior OS and its goodies.

  28. prince_sabin says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am

    I had my brother install Ubuntu through Wubi over the phone on my parent’s computer. The install went smoothly and my parents use it all the time. I think this is a great way to introduce Ubuntu to users who, like my parents, don’t want anyone (even me) “changing” their already working, though barely, Windows install.

    Thanks everyone for letting me share the experience of free software with my family.

  29. Mark Shuttleworth razona el porqué de Wubi en Ubuntu « Myubuntuestudio says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

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  30. Mark Shuttleworth razona el porqué de Wubi en Ubuntu » Nierox - El Blog De Todos says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 2:12 pm

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  31. Limulus says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Gijs: Anyone playing with Windows in VirtualBox should probably do a clean install of Windows; I can see *so many* things possibly going wrong with taking an installed Windows and converting it into an image (and a WGA-check will probably label it ‘not genuine’).

    GZ: you generally get better system performance from non-virtualized OSs.

    Anthony E: It is my experience that the more and better WinFOSS is, the more likely one is to switch to Linux; once someone learns how to use, say, Firefox on Windows and relies on that as their primary browser, there is next to no learning curve if they switch to Linux. The same with Gimp, OpenOffice.org, etc. But if you just switch them directly from Windows/IE/Photoshop/MSOffice to Linux/Firefox/Gimp/OO.o there will be lots of learning curves and the transition will be more difficult.

    Oak: With Wubi you are dual-booting; the Ubuntu side and the Windows side are separate and thus not active at the same time, so YES you must continue to use A/V while in Windows. When you boot into Ubuntu though, feel confident to safely browse the internet ^_^

    Mark Shuttleworth wrote: “I believe in bringing free software to people in a way that is exciting and empowering to them, and one of the key ways to do that is to show them amazing free software running on their familiar platform, whether that’s Windows or the MacOS.”

    I look forward to the day Mubi (http://wubi-installer.org/faq.php) becomes part of the install CD too :)

  32. VladV says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    @Mark – No i haven’t filed a bug for lack of time then, and now i can’t reproduce it until I visit my mom again, which will be for Easter :) Until then she’s a happy XP user…

    I would test it myself on my dual boot Kubuntu/XP machine at home, but can someone please tell me if it will mess up my boot up menu, or will it just add itself nicely to the end of the list, after Kubuntu Gutsy and XP, like it should? Thanks!

  33. Boycott Novell » Links 10/04/2008: New Low-cost Laptop Runs GNU/Linux; Vista Slammed by Analysts says: (permalink)
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  34. Q says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Mark Shuttleworth is the future of Linux!

    While other sad companies sell out to Microsoft, Mark keeps the hope alive!

  35. isileth says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    @Mark
    I’ve been using Ubuntu for a few years now and it has managed to sneak onto my computers, pushing Windows aside.
    My path has been the one you mentioned, of a Windows user who began to see what the opensource could offer under a known operating system, before going to a completly opensource solution.
    This wouldn’t have happened without Ubuntu and its philosophy.
    A philosophy that doesn’t rely on enemies bashing, but on delivering something better then competitors.
    If the opensource world has gained so much in such a little time, it’s because of people like you and your team around the world.
    Thank you very very much.

  36. Rambo Tribble says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 4:21 pm

    Accolades and garland wreaths to all the developers, both of WUBI and K/Ubuntu, as well as GNU, Gnome, KDE, etc. No longer is FOSS just a superior value proposition; it is simply superior, period.

    FOSS is about offering choices and allowing a top-notch Linux distro to run atop Windows is just one more arrow in the quiver of user empowerment.

  37. Mark Shuttleworth razona el porqué de wubi en Ubuntu « Ubunlog says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    [...] artículo traducido por CeeC de Entre tuxes y Pepinos, en donde Mark Shuttleworth, escribe en su blog sobre la inclusión de wubi en el LiveCD del próximo Hardy Heron 8.04 “Windows es una plataforma [...]

  38. Jose_X says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Limulus: WinFOSS is no good generally speaking. This is not in all cases, eg, oo.org hits the Monopoly moneyline and FF fights the Monopolist’s attempt to use desktop leverage to win web server share, but it comes at a price even in these and other cases.

    It is not that difficult to change your browser. If you really want to make things easy, then make LinFOSS L&F more like Windows apps. It’s simple.

    The issue is that you can simulate outward L&F because we can see it. Think of L&F as a standard. The LinFOSS code would be an implementation. The implementations on Windows are a losing game to the closed source Monopolist. It is a rat race. It wastes time and mental effort and braincells. We have no control. If it trivial for Microsoft to change specs on the fly (oops, “bug”). They control everything. File access, everything. It all depends on their service quality and fidelity. It would take angels not to abuse their position of power with Windows given that they build competing apps. And Microsoft is no angel (I even wonder if they are human). They are subservient to their stockholders. Plan and expect according to that basic truth.

    If I use Windows and it has virtually everything I care about that Linux has plus more plus various lock-ins, I am not moving 9 times out of 10 (ignoring the minority that do walk the extra 3 miles to move).

    Instead of wasting time on WinFOSS as well as helping Vista and Windows keep up with all cool things on Linux (this adds value to all MS assets, makes tolerating Windows/Vista issues and costs easier, and makes moving to Linux appear less useful, urgent, or valuable). Instead of writing code that is specific to Windows/Vista (code that helps LinFOSS not one bit when the time could be spent optimizing or adding features or redesigning). Instead of giving Microsoft blueprints for how to extend their integrated monster through WinFOSS examples because WinFOSS (especially dotnet and friends) is so like what they are building. Instead of writing code for companies like Novell that profit by selling closed licenses to Microsoft to integrate into Windows just as the closed source Monopolist adjusts the specs one more time (so that the code you gave them works great as a closed source cog but not nearly as great in the WinFOSS incarnation)…. Instead of all of this, let’s be smart instead.

    The Monopoly has a simple solution. Forget about working with a company whom we give many a tit but who gives back no tat. We have many ways to bring Linux to the people. We are not tapping in to many avenues nearly as we should. We can use LiveCDs to motivate many people [tune in to thetuxproject for upcoming ideas]. We can use virtualization and dual boot. And yes, we have to motivate a lot more people so that there is support on the ground to reach out to potential noobs. Many families can afford a spare PC (used or even brand new.. $200) or an extra hard drive. Mostly it’s weak marketing that is keeping the world from having Linux accessible.

    If Linux has marginal value over Windows, it is dead in the water.

    With a reason to move and interest, people go through the effort. Some will climb mountains in fact. Without a good excuse, people will not budge 2 inches from their comfort zone.

    If I were the Monopolist, I would employ (and give incentives to) as many people as possible to continue to spread the garbage that WinFOSS is bad for the Monopolist. They want all the tits, all the devs working over the garbage they control. WinFOSS definitely helps in many cases (the more of a port job, the more it helps them).

    Don’t forget that it was Linux that saved Firebird. I mean Firefox/Mozilla/Netscape. Originally, that browser ran on Windows and not on Linux. It has been the steady movement in the direction of real FOSS (LinFOSS) that has lead to a rejuvenated project and gaining market share. Same for StarOffice/Openoffice. It is moving in our direction not closer to Windows.

    If Linux needs improvements it won’t happen by jumping on to run the Monopolist’s rat race. It happens by worrying about improving yet some more the Linux offering. And breaking the Monopoly holds is the best thing anyone can do for FOSS anywhere.

    We already code to specs: POSIX, LSB, and many other open specs. We don’t need Microsoft one iota. It’s amazing how little they offer, yet some expect us developers to jump at the unstable black boxes given what we do have. What part of the stack is more important than the OS? The last part of closed source we should be mingling with is OS closed source. The FSF knew early on that the invisible stuff was the most important. I think of puking at the thought of wasting another braincell on anything that that company “opens.”

    Developers, developers, developers, developers is right. Some don’t learn and keep going back.

    And for those that don’t develop, please keep this in mind. Anyone can implement an interface that looks and feels comfortable, but you really need FOSS in the invisible stuff so that it all works really well with no bug or design decision beyond fixing as need and time arises (a balance). We can make L&F easy so that migration to a basic WinLinux is doable. But it has to be our code underneath (the invisible stuff under the glitz) for that overall system and proposition to be doable, to avoid a wasteful and frustration rat race.

    Make an “Internet Explorer” look-alike *mode* and noobs will find it easy to move and then look forward to what Firefox on Linux has that is unique to Linux.

    So that is how you do it. That is how you make things easy. You give them a reason to move, and you offer an interface they recognize or that is very easy to pick up. The wrong way is to make a horrible interface or a very different and complex one and then put it on Windows hoping they will taste and work with it and adopt it. A good or a familiar interface is learned quickly. If you build it, they will come. I hope well-intentioned developers stop helping Microsoft because I really can’t wait until we have at least 30% market share. The sooner Linux runs ahead comfortably and we market that, the sooner we will make real and sustainable gains in market share [Note, that Firefox made real gains because it truly stood out and because Microsoft was caught sleeping and with limited resources. There would be less people using Firefox if they moved away from Windows today but they would bring with them many more users to Linux. That would be most beneficial (when the time comes), but we have to coordinate and make a real push to get Linux used by people. Time and energy pushing Linux, not running a rat race, is time and energy well spent.]

    Finally, we should be worrying about porting Windows exclusive apps to Linux not vice-versa… if we want to play the porting game.

    It’s all a matter of when we want a large unstoppable community. In 2-5 years or in 20. Let XP and Vista RIP, please.

    [Jijutsu is how I view Microsoft's evolving attack on us. Get us to help them, to stop running ahead of them in order to use our force to carry them on our backs instead. XP has some life left, but staring at it and going "wow" won't help us catch up in the areas where we arguably lag behind. ..Hey, instead of porting, let's create some realistic artwork and polish. Let's motivate people and let them in on our secret. Let's make it as easy and fun as possible for them to participate. WinFOSS is steps in the wrong direction. We are the game. We are where the focus should be. We are the ones that provide the interesting potential, the new way of doing a PC.]

    Thanks for the opportunity to reply. Sorry it got so long.

  39. Caleb says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    I’ve been using Wubi since some of its earliest days. I had a laptop that had to have Windows on it for just a few programs (none of which worked under wine). I recently removed Windows on that laptop, installed Kubuntu 7.10, and now use VirtualBox to run those few programs.

    One thing that I noticed was that after prolonged use (I know, the original intent is to just test drive for a while, but…) the wubi install would become fragmented and grub wouldn’t be able to find the files it needed to boot. I would have to boot back into Windows and defragment the wubi files to be able to boot again. Once, even defragmenting wasn’t able to fix the issue. This problem would especially occur when the ntfs partition was near full.

    I haven’t kept up on the Wubi project since removing Windows, but I hope they have done things to address the fragmentation that can occur to the installed Wubi files (gotta love ntfs!). Perhaps some kind of control panel in the installed Wubi program that you could use to fix/configure your Wubi install would be great.

  40. Jose_X says: (permalink)
    April 10th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    There is more discussion at http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2008040902226OSDBMS including a slightly improved reposting (Jose_X).

  41. Limulus says: (permalink)
    April 11th, 2008 at 3:11 am

    (First a correction; I said in the comments on the “Hammering on the Heron” post (comments now closed for some reason) that “Hardy is going to be a LTS release, so supported for two years on the desktop”; that should read “three”, sorry! :)

    Jose_X: “It is not that difficult to change your browser.”

    Assuming that the websites you visit render fine in Firefox; that wasn’t always the case (consider http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050906-5278.html), but its much better now that we’re in a second Browser War.

    “The implementations on Windows are a losing game to the closed source Monopolist. It is a rat race. It wastes time and mental effort and braincells. We have no control.”

    The API is generally stable enough (e.g. XP SP2 has lasted several years) that individual apps can be made; what would really be wasting time would be to try to improve the shoddy underlying MS infrastructure via software libre.

    After I switched to Ubuntu I realized that there was an entire parallel universe (no pun intended ;) of software libre that I was previously unaware of except for certain apps like VLC and Firefox. Most programs probably won’t ever get ported back to Windows, but so long as MS has majority market share, it makes sense to target people with a handful of good programs that will steer people in the direction of Linux (consider Wubi! :) I remember the unease of partitioning to dual-boot; this would have certainly made me happier back in 2006!)

    Basically, until Microsoft’s market share is seriously impacted, we need to be able to let people make a gradual transition if they don’t want to jump into Linux head first, e.g.:

    All MS apps on Windows -> mixed MS and libre apps on Windows -> dual-booting -> Linux only

    which is the pathway I followed :) dual-booting -> Linux with Windows in VirtualBox might be a further option which wasn’t available two years ago. The less painful a transition, the happier people will be switching to Linux, even if it does take longer.

    “Don’t forget that it was Linux that saved Firebird. I mean Firefox/Mozilla/Netscape. Originally, that browser ran on Windows and not on Linux.”

    ??? As per http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/releases/0.1.html the very first release had both Windows and Linux ports. The vast bulk of current Firefox users are running it on Windows. IMHO if you compare the pool of Firefox users on Windows to the pool of IE users on Windows, it will be the former who are the most likely to switch to Linux.

    Note to Mark Shuttleworth: I have a contact at a store which sells Vista computers; we tried Wubi from the Hardy Beta and it had no problems installing to Toshiba notebook, but there were issues with the daily build from April 10 on a desktop system that was an Acer iiRC. Will repeat soon with a newer build to see if its still an issue. Wubi bugs, if they aren’t already, should be considered blockers for Hardy.

  42. toogreen says: (permalink)
    April 11th, 2008 at 4:17 am

    For those who argue about the good or bad of porting FOSS to Windows or Mac, this is something I’ve been wondering about for quite a while. At first I also thought porting out would end up being bad for Linux, but now I do think the fact that Firefox was ported to Windows has been the best decision ever.

    I just had the proof a few weeks ago, when one of my co-workers asked me about Linux and was interested in installing it on her laptop. One of her main question or concern was “How will I access the web on it” and when I answered “Firefox” she was obviously pleased and her fears went away, as she is already a Firefox user on Windows and Mac.

    The fact that Firefox spread so widely means that more people are using it, therefore when you recommend Linux to them they feel comfortable knowing the software they use will be familiar. Same goes for Open Office. I have converted a few co-workers to OpenOffice and some of them have now got EeePCs which also runs Linux and OpenOffice, so I mean transitioning to Linux is obviously much easier for someone who already uses Firefox and OpenOffice. But then you might say “What’s their incentives to move to Linux if they have the same software on Windows?”… Well the argument about Virus, trojans, etc is still much valid, and we have now Compiz and all the eye candy that makes Windows users drool when they see it. So there you go there are still plenty and even more reasons for FOSS users on Windows to run Linux!

  43. Eric1725 says: (permalink)
    April 11th, 2008 at 10:31 am

    Strange ! Yesterday, i was wondering if the future of Linux and it’s success was not link to the (des)evolution of Windows ! :-?
    Anyway… i like Linux :D

    Best regards from Europe

    Eric

  44. PcHelp 06 63 55 66 14 » -Le créateur d’Ubuntu : Windows est important says: (permalink)
    April 11th, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    [...] d’Ubuntu, vient de signer un billet pour le moins surprenant dans son propre blog (suivre ce lien). Sous le titre « Bien jouer avec Windows », Mark Shuttleworth, connu pour son habituelle [...]

  45. Standblog says: (permalink)
    April 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Quote of the day: Mark Shuttleworth…

    From the man who is driving Ubuntu, the most successful Linux distribution, in an article he just published, Playing nicely with Windows: Firefox, for example, is an inspiring free software success story, and I’m certain that a key driver of that…

  46. Open Source mobile edition says: (permalink)
    April 11th, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    [...] needs to answer as it, too, becomes just another Windows application. That’s not the way Mark Shuttleworth puts it. That’s not even the way Matt Asay puts [...]

  47. Wubi « Paco al día says: (permalink)
    April 11th, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    [...] Wubi Wubi es un instalador de Linux (Ubuntu) que permite hacerlo desde Windows y que por lo tanto permite a los usuarios de Windows acercarse al mundo Linux sin miedo y de una forma sencilla.  Mark Shuttleworth, propietario de Canonical Ltd., la empresa que soporta Ubuntu explica porqué la versión 8.04 de Ubuntu trae este instalador. (La traducción es de Tuxpepino y el original se puede leer aquí) [...]

  48. Univiction says: (permalink)
    April 11th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Been doing GNU/Linux and the *BSDs since 1997, when I became disgusted with the absolute greed of the proprietary lock-in vendors and the BSA.

    I do still offer some of the free software to Windoze folks too stupid to boot a LiveCDrom, of which there seem to be about 2/3rds of the folks on the Internet, according to Microsoft in their SEC Quarterly reports, and in Court Testimony, both under oath!

    I see some hope in the phenomenal growth rate (as measured by Microsoft on the internet and reported in their sworn reports) that is at 5% per annum, up from the 2005 report of 3%, and also still growing!

    Mark, you have done the world a service in your innovative distribution/inspiration of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xenbuntu!

    I have distributed/installed at least 5 *buntu distros a week over the past two years, in schools, businesses, Best Buy, and the other major “Depot” and “Warehouse” stores!

    Thanks from all the children, Public (Goverment) schools in 41 states, single moms, and the recycling landfills!

  49. Jose_X says: (permalink)
    April 12th, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Limulus:

    Here is another opinion: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2008-04-09-022-26-OS-DB-MS-0006

    Like anything in life, there is no rule that applies cleanly to everything. This is more true when you are talking about something with so many variables and/or that depends on human perceptions.

    An installer that loads up Ubuntu (even if through a VM, though that would be an inferior solution especially to newbies) is a great way to advertize Ubuntu and let lots of people gain access. And it doesn’t involve some of the problems that go along with porting individual apps to Windows (such as developer time wasted .. or such as ultimate dependence on Microsoft).

    In fact, let’s look at this case a little closer. If you can install this thing called “Ubuntu” from Windows and it has lots of free and cool stuff that you can’t get on Windows, then the Ubuntu “app” will be used. This would be a good component of a more comprehensive marketing approach. In this case, Firefox would be used from within Ubuntu, all the more so if Firefox was not available on Windows.

    The past involved trade-offs, but newer technologies (like LiveCD or an installer straight from Windows) are allowing us to be more successful than in the past in luring users away from the Monopolist.

    It truly is not that difficult to imagine loads of people having both Linux and Windows around. At which point the platform most used will be the one that gives the best experience (perhaps with the other one in virtual mode). Because of the great work done by the GNU people, kernel devs, desktop people, etc, we can code to open specs instead of wasting our valuable developer time fudging with incomplete buggy (and unfixable) specs and products at the OS layer made unilaterally by a closed source Monopolist.

    So why port when you can work on improving the experience users will see when they run your app on Linux? Ports take time away from competing directly against Monopoly apps (improving the quality of our apps). Ports that involve technologies useful to Microsoft (like dotnet), just make it easier for Microsoft to clone the functionality. Of course following dotnet has other problems especially if you insist on following the MS lead (or thinking you can) or on donating your code to companies likely to sell closed licenses to the Monopolist who will in turn adjust the code to work with their internal implementation (vs. the ECMA spec) in a tightly integrated fashion (using internal/private low latency API).

    As for the firebird comment, Firefox (bird) is an evolution of Mozilla the browser and of Netscape Navigator. These begun on Windows. I think that the more Firefox specializes on Linux, the more it will help attract users to Linux (ie, Ubuntu) and to get businesses to set up Linux workstations or allow some sort of dual (boot) use scenario. OTOH, today, the Windows market share it gained quickly will discourage devs some more from using MS tools that create code that does not run on Firefox..

    So we take away a major source of Microsoft power by avoiding their closed specs/software altogether. We build a parallel world (that is no-charge and relatively easy to acquire) and simply compete directly for the best user experience.. but we would be doing it on our terms, on open terms.

    As for the stable API thing, Microsoft will not put the same love and care into their public API as they do to their internal connections. I have heard repeatedly that Vista failed to run many XP apps as they ran on XP if at all. So we see a degradation of quality for third parties, a degradation in correctness/faithfulness, and actually have documented targeted attacks (aimed at specific apps or vendors exclusively). Third parties can’t resolve, file a bug report, or even diagnose/determine all problems related to MS bugs (whether intentional or accidental), whether the hope is to fix the problem at the root or even to find a hack work around. We can’t affect design decisions very much (just look at Microsoft’s stuborness refusing to clean up OOXML).

    We may not be disagreeing that much (sorry if I appeared to have singled you out). We (as a group) just need to be careful not to rely on old techniques when newer (potentially much) more effective ones exist. The old ways were more useful when Linux was not a viable desktop for that many and it helped build a foundation. Today, we are after Jack/Jill with a better desktop offering and have better tools to help us efficiently accomplish this goal.

    toogreen:

    I would not consider your Firefox story as very supportive of the theory that WinFOSS is good generally. It’s even debatable whether or not specifically Firefox on Windows does more good or bad (though Google is certainly helped.. they have immediate significant gains.. but I do imagine they much prefer Linux and will try to work their customers in that direction eventually).

    >> The fact that Firefox spread so widely…

    Firefox may have spread in a way Linux would not be able to as quickly (or wasn’t). This may benefit Linux as you indicated. To make the current situation even better, many of the things that may make Firefox special can be created through plug-ins and these can be tuned to Linux instead of Windows creating a whole host of unique attributes that helps Linux; HOWEVER, we have to follow up with a strong Linux push in order for these plug-ins to be useful in this way because eventually IE will catch up if FF feature growth stalls. When we make the push, we can easily make demos (hosted on youtube for example) showing off the plug-ins visually to Windows users. We will have setups in place to easily add Linux.

    My main point is that we have a way to proceed that is much more effective in breaking the Monopolist hold than by a large scale porting effort to duplicate our best features on Windows. Generally, the less we port away from POSIX, LSB, etc, and the less we take advantage of Linux integration, the worse for FOSS overall, the weaker the true Linux offering will be relative to what it could be.

    >> Same goes for Open Office.

    OO on Windows attacks a major MS cash cow and itself also has the potential to be a major platform for extensions. I would much prefer that OO be sold along with Linux as a part of Linux, but all is not lost if those on Windows that would pay for MSO would opt out instead to use OO. ..Thinking about this some more, I would think that OO on Windows might be doing more harm than good starting from the point in time when it becomes relatively feasible to have Linux be usable alongside a Windows installation (ie, it may be or just about be time for OO devs to stop working too much on MS ports.. unless the devs work for Sun and Sun has a deal with Microsoft to maintain the Windows port on par with Linux).

    >> so I mean transitioning to Linux is obviously much easier for someone who already uses Firefox and OpenOffice

    It’s actually not that hard to learn either of these if you are familiar with MSO or IE. More importantly, the initial learning can be done on Linux. Imagine if the EEE would never have anything comparable to free OO whenever it runs XP. In fact, exclusive access to OO and FF from Linux would help keep XP off EEE to a much larger extent.

    >> But then you might say “What’s their incentives to move to Linux if they have the same software on Windows?”… Well the argument about Virus, trojans, etc is still much valid, and we have now Compiz and all the eye candy that makes Windows users drool when they see it. So there you go there are still plenty and even more reasons for FOSS users on Windows to run Linux!

    I agree that we have incentives but why help Microsoft keep up? My point is about putting them away, about not giving them opportunities to keep stalling for years what might very well be inevitable but could happen much sooner. I don’t see myself helping them out. They have too much at stake, too many dollars they are expending, too many tricks at their disposal, a very well entrenched position, etc. They can stall for a very long time if they can get enough others to help them keep up. I think they have more than enough advantages and don’t need any more help, paid or otherwise. [The money will be there when they are gone. It will flow more freely towards a larger group of recipients than it does now through their clenched fists. In fact, their days of loosening that grip more in desperation are forstalled by us helping them today.]

  50. Rafael says: (permalink)
    April 12th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    Thanks Ubuntu, I don’t have Windows anymore. Now I have Doors :D

  51. SolidOffice » Blog Archive » Mark Shuttleworth on Wubi and Open Source on Windows and Mac says: (permalink)
    April 12th, 2008 at 4:38 am

    [...] Mark Shuttleworth blogs about Wubi, a new tool for easily installing Ubuntu on a Windows machine. [...]

  52. Limulus says: (permalink)
    April 12th, 2008 at 5:28 am

    I previously wrote: “at a store which sells Vista computers; we tried Wubi from the Hardy Beta and it had no problems installing to Toshiba notebook, but there were issues with the daily build from April 10 on a desktop system that was an Acer iiRC. Will repeat soon with a newer build to see if its still an issue.”

    Tested today on the same Acer computer with the April 11 build and it worked flawlessly :)

  53. Daniel says: (permalink)
    April 12th, 2008 at 7:14 am

    we hope to have printer and scanner and … other fully supported by the manufacturers.

  54. gp says: (permalink)
    April 12th, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Hi ,
    We are a small dev company we use ubuntu everywhere (basically kubutu on desktops and ubuntu server on servers ) , only problem i face is getting my microphone working Intel HDA chipset which is there in all our systems and laptop, which prevents my team to collaborate (i know there there is a lengthy solution …download compile a new latest alsa servers etc etc …but simply dont have time for that for last two months ) ….it would be great some of team could look into this as intel da chipset is most common ….there is also problem of web cam but we dont use that much !!

  55. Alexander Trauzzi says: (permalink)
    April 13th, 2008 at 6:29 am

    Mark, for so long I have hoped for someone with the resources and comprehensive understandings you have to come into play.

    You and your team couldn’t have hit the nail any more squarely on the head with this installer. The next thing would be to make a utility that fully unpacks the user’s comfortable installation into a full-on GRUB-booted installation. Even offering to resize partitions or – dare I say – replace Windows!
    I have so many ideas and hopes for Ubuntu I practically lose them all at once. The best I can do is continue to help people discover what is no doubt the best, fastest and easily most reliable OS humanity has seen yet. I’m continuously surprised with the kind of traction Ubuntu gets with people considering my past experiences with showcasing Linux.

    The passion and amazement I’m getting out of even the most change averse Windows users is immeasurable by comparison! Ubuntu is literally capable of giving a wakeup call to the most casual of users overnight!

  56. City-Blog.net says: (permalink)
    April 13th, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Mark Shuttleworth : Bien joué Windows…

    Ah mais non puisqu’en lisant la suite, on apprend que Ubuntu 8.04 qui sortira bientôt s’installera aussi à partir de Windows. Ouf! L’honneur est sauf ! C’était juste une manœuvre 8-)

    Le billet qui en parle sur son blog
    Communa…

  57. Justin Clift says: (permalink)
    April 13th, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Arrgh. Spell checker. “PostgreSQL”. ;->

  58. James Dowden says: (permalink)
    April 14th, 2008 at 2:28 am

    On an utter nitpicking level, there’s something seriously wrong with that tooltip: the inconsistency between stating the difference for Kubuntu and Kubuntu-KDE4, and the implication of the difference for Ubuntu and Xubuntu is really quite funny. There’s scope for all sorts of bad jokes about people who know about KDE version numbers, but are confused by knowing that something’s GNOME or XFCE.

  59. Stef says: (permalink)
    April 14th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

    It was all a brilliant idea, and it worked too— up to the part when i could boot into Ubuntu and never managed to complete the installation (but you can still cancel it to ignore the setups), then… IT WAS SO SLOW!! No more than 2 applications can run at the same time, and never except once i could shut down the system without manually pressing the on/off button on my laptop. That one time when i managed to shut down properly was when I turned the thing on, load up and shut down without using any applications… great init?!

    NB I have tried installing twice as well, once on my external (250GB free out of 490GB) and the next time on my own laptop hard drive (70GB free out of 100GB)… and the speed of ubuntu was just unacceptably SLOW…

    very disappointed :(

    Mark Shuttleworth says:

    Try defragmenting the Windows drive. Your Linux filesystem is mapped into a large file on the NTFS formatted harddrive. If the NTFS partition is fragmented, then reading and writing from the Linux “filesystem” is slowed down. Other than that, performance should be within 5-10% of native partition performance.

  60. Ltmboy says: (permalink)
    April 14th, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Wubi is a really great idea. I had always wanted to try out Ubuntu but I was a bit afraid of partitioning and so on. But when I found wubi, I was able to use Ubuntu without any risk. After about a month or so, I realized that I hadn’t used Windows for a quite a while and ended up just going completely Ubuntu. Without wubi, I would probably still be using Windows today. So I’m very happy to see that it will be included with Hardy Heron. Keep up the amazing work.

  61. Flisol 2008 - Sede Huancayo » Wubi - Instalador de Ubuntu desde Windows says: (permalink)
    April 14th, 2008 at 4:59 pm

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  62. Bob Macpherson says: (permalink)
    April 14th, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    While this is probably not the correct forum for this comment it seems to be the only place where one can contact Mr Shuttleworth pretty well directly. I’ve tried all the ubuntu forums and other lunux forums to no avail.
    My comment is that I’d love to go completely over to ubuntu but cannot. The reason is that I own a multifunction printer (printer, copyer, fax and scanner in one) and there are no ubuntu or linux drivers available for it.
    As an old age pensioner I cannot afford to continually buy hardware to simply suit a particular operating system. For all that is wrong about the Windows O/S’, they at least appear to be able to supply drivers for multifunction devices.

    I have approached the manufacturer (Canon) who responded with the comment that they were not going to build drivers for linux. The manufacturers are little interested in the individual by I would hope that they might take at least some notice of the linux distributers.

    Perhaps it would be possible for the likes of Mr Shuttleworth to approach the manufacturers with this in mind and incidentally help grow their business by having people buy their products when compatible with the linux O/S’.

    Regards,

    Bob

  63. Chris Penn says: (permalink)
    April 15th, 2008 at 6:23 am

    Mark, I disagree………but let me explain.
    The importance of windows is completely relevant to the user. I do have “linux pride” as some might describe, but I do not hate Microsoft Windows. To put things simply I use this quote:

    “I simply don’t use Microsoft products, not because I hate them, but because they aren’t interesting to me. ” -Linus Torvald 2007

    My spin:
    Windows has no importance in my life. Not because I hate M$, but because I have no need for windows.

  64. Mark Shuttleworth explica el porqué de Wubi en Ubuntu « marrufo9 says: (permalink)
    April 15th, 2008 at 7:03 am

    [...] Shuttleworth explica el porqué de Wubi en Ubuntu Mark Shuttleworth, presidente de Canonical, explicaba ayer en su blog porqué habían decidido incluir el instalador Wubi en Ubuntu. Para los que no lo sepan Wubi [...]

  65. Wubi se incluirá en Ubuntu | micropolyphony says: (permalink)
    April 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    [...] Shuttelworth ha explicado en su blog por qué se incluirá Wubi en la próxima versión de Ubuntu que saldrá dentro de 9 días. Y ahora [...]

  66. Andrew Cole says: (permalink)
    April 15th, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    I loaded up my Hardy Beta CD and ran WUBI and it worked like a dream. No difficulties whatsoever. The only thing is, I thought it sounded like you could install on an empty partition on the hard drive, not that you HAVE to install it on a virtual drive on a Windows partition.

    Works great though. I actually kind of like this better.

  67. Jose_X says: (permalink)
    April 16th, 2008 at 7:52 am

    >> My spin:
    Windows has no importance in my life. Not because I hate M$, but because I have no need for windows.

    I have no need for Windows and, in many ways, have little respect for Microsoft on account of their past actions (I have a lot of respect in some ways though). Additionally, their position as the **closed source Monopolist** is what I truly am against. [ http://thetuxproject.com/node/307 ]

    If the software you are used to running runs on Windows only, then you need Windows. However, you don’t really need Windows.

    More to the point. Exclusive apps and features allow a platform to become irreplaceable to an extent. This is why developers that like the freedom of Linux and users that like freedom should ask companies that currently write applications only for Windows to consider doing at least quick and dirty ports to Linux or at least consider helping out the wine project. If you ask, then you are helping to create recognized demand. The customer is the boss.

    Even more to the point. Linux useful special/unique features are what would give life to Linux within the context of Windows. [ http://thetuxproject.com/node/306 ]

  68. Evangelina says: (permalink)
    April 16th, 2008 at 10:58 am

    (please cancel previous post, this is the corrected)

    How about Playing very nicely with Microsoft?

    Mark,
    1. I appreciate your efforts for making free software even more available and accessible. That is a great cause with unmeasurable (but surely great) amount of efficiency added to humanity with exponential benefit in all areas.

    2. I have great respect for Microsoft too, since all software is compared with theirs, they have become the peoples’ standard. For a long time – by choice! Because they were the pioneers, hats off for that! Trying to protect and hold on to what they have built is only (less idealistic from what they started) but human.

    3. I have heard you give great philanthropic (humanity-loving speeches) which I think you believe in.

    4. I have heard Bill Gates give great philanthropic (humanity-loving speeches) speeches, which I am sure he believes in.

    5. Let me enlighten you: Why don’t you work together, to what is truly a great end, humanity-BENEFITING software more widely available than is Ubuntu now. True, he is not the CEO of Microsoft now, but I have a feeling he still might have something to do with it. If you have a plan how to make Microsoft employees self-sufficient and RE-ORIENTATE their focus, I actually think he might listen! There comes a point in a man’s life when he has done enough for one’s ego and all left for him to do is for others. If you both have reached that point, I really do not see WHY NOT!

    BUILD ON

  69. Evangelina says: (permalink)
    April 16th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    The newest release of Windows and Ubuntu (consistent with Bill Gate’s and Mark Shuttleworth’s beliefs and speeches) celebrating the 21st century:

    WindowsUBUNTU

    “Do you have it yet?”

  70. Evangelina says: (permalink)
    April 16th, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    PS: And don’t be self-absorbed, Bill Gates has not hinted nor Mark self-posted. I am a real, independent, Ubuntu and Microsoft phil and hope neither of you thinks out of my mind.

  71. Mark Hayes says: (permalink)
    April 16th, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Wubi was pretty easy to use, I had very few problems getting everything up and running. In my work environment Windows is the primary O/S, but with Wubi I was able to dual boot my work computer and use Open Source software to carry out my daily tasks. Now there’s no reason why people can’t try out Ubuntu and really see how awesome it is.

  72. vaago says: (permalink)
    April 17th, 2008 at 4:12 am

    Yea it sounds good but I’ve tried installing it twice, once on an old Precision workstation with hyperthreading – I had to do a complete reinstall because it crashed it beyond my understanding; and really didn’t have the time nor the inclination to try and figure it out.
    The second time, on a Dell 3000, it looked as if it was going to work but every time that I tried to boot into Ubuntu, I would get an error message telling me to run chkdsk and all would be well. I finally removed said program. I haven’t had any problems on either machine with live cd’s or actual installs.

  73. Evangelina says: (permalink)
    April 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    I saw this article today
    http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/25252

    Many people still seem unaware of the option Ubuntu. So Mark maybe you have to do a little more promotion.

  74. Mirloc says: (permalink)
    April 17th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    The sad truth is that until games are developed (and not ported) to Linux as a whole there’s always going to be a strong presence of Windows. You can argue that games don’t drive the industry, but you are kidding yourself if you do. Gamers demand faster, better, bigger and tend to spend the money to get it. Corporations spend as little on hardware as they can reasonably get away with. By comparison look at Dell’s website. Gaming machines are 3 or 4 times the price of a comparable corporate work machine.

    There’s the big sell, get the game companies to write for Linux, the gamers will switch and the market will follow.

  75. Faire bon ménage avec Windows says: (permalink)
    April 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    [...] française de l’article “Playing nicely with Windows“. Auteur : Mark Shuttleworth – Traducteur : Bernard [...]

  76. Moulinneuf says: (permalink)
    April 19th, 2008 at 9:14 am

    It’s Free software at work … IPO time

    Part 2 :

    You know it’s funny in a way that Red Hat is saying that personal desktop is made by a charity company.

    Because last I looked Canonical was a commercial entity. The problem is that it’s a private entity.

    Microsoft laughed at Google until they made there IPO. Red Hat itself was considred a joke until they did there’s and is using it’s IPO money to offset it’s bad decision and carve itself a big share of the pie with bigger investments then other’s , with almost 4 billion market capitalization , they can afford to wait on the desktop.

    The problem with that is that they have an unfair advantage on all front , They can wait for the desktop and swoop in or acquire the smaller company who end up winning the desktop and they win against others on the server as they can trow a lot more money then other’s at it.

    Since I showed you in my last post that the majority of people are not yet on personnal computers yet and that the market is only going to grow and double every year ( using the AMD chart ). That means that Microsoft Windows income is going to grow too and they will invest billions at holding on to the market with the OEM vendor and IHV’s.

    The logical conclusion is to make an IPO. But not make a failed one like Mandriva did , but one with a
    solid strategy like google did.

    The first move would be to research GOOGLE IPO partner and get some of them in on the early deal.
    My best bet would be to invite the Google people on board by giving them some shares in the IPO’ed Canonical as to give value to the company before it’s IPO day. Like Microsoft did in investing in Facebook
    creating immense value.

    Also I would play it in the press ( with real good paid PR press in WSJ and others ) tongue in cheek as to create fear in there mind and say : “that you agree with Red Hat that running a succesful charity that make so much money is unfair to those who help create value for it.” ” That since Novell and Red Hat have declared defeat a the end of the Ubuntu/ canonical it means that they leave a small 50 *Billion* market on the personnal desktop for you to fill , 50 Billion being 5% of the personnal GNU/Linux desktop market after paying for 30 + billion in investement , since Apple who as 2% and the ipod/iphone and is valued at 150 Billion it’s areasonnable estimate. You then annonce your IPO and name the people who are getting shares

    - The Google People
    - Cannonical / Ubuntu ( your community )
    - Me ( details to be worked out of course ) With a cash Bonus of 50 million for the IPO now idea and strategy after the deal is done and Ipo done too.
    - Other people Like Al gore , Nelson Mandela , etc …
    - Other people you might have in mind.

    ——

    Here is what my crazy brain tought of :

    - 50 billion from whatever cash people are willing to pay for it for starter , it could go higher as people start making the price value like it did for Google.
    - Make shure the number of share is equal or higher to those of Microsoft and Red Hat.

    - Once the high value IPO is done after 1 -2 week split the stock to 10 cents so that small investors can get in on it too.example say the share are at 100$ each you split them into 10 cents shares , 100 shares become 1000 shares at 10 cent each , people will make the price go up again but you can sale a lot of splited shares adding even more value and money in the company coffers , most stock market need a 1$ value to be indexed so it’s going to be adding another minimum 100% value to the company.

    Now your on top of a company worth at minimum 100 Billion. Not even in the crazy number as your a desktop champs compared to Apple and Microsoft value.

    You take 50 Billion from it and have a guaranteed Loan for 35 + Billion , that you can repay when you feel like it and that as controled vote by you , Split the company to 10 cents again and buy back the loan with another loan.

    The 35+ Billion you use to Buy technology , technology center and developer.

    With 1 Billion divided into 1 million just have the bank guarantee a 10 year paiement of 10% ( 100 k ) on a fiduciary investment of 1 million and hire/train developer worldwide. Make this into a contract that after 10 years the fiduciary account will become the property of the new hir/trained developer.

    With another Billion Open Labs/service centers in the same City or close to that city to the one that Red Hat as office in , in the poorest center so that you have more space then they do.

    Try and buyout NCIX and NewEgg. Seem unrelated but they have really good online hardware vendor sites with extremely good service reputation , this give you access to Hardware for worldwide labs , but information about what is selling from the inside.

    I have other idea on the subject but that sums up pretty much the point I want to make at this time.

    One more thing , since Novell and Red Hat are saying that there is no market for personnal desktop I would make the invite to there shareolders to make a stock swap exchange , for 1 share of Red Hat or Novell you give them 2 of Canonical during pr after the IPO , factor in both the numbers of shares of those two company before making the number of shares of canonical. You might end up with 10% or more of there company stocks , you could make a 2-3 of there shares for 1 of canonical exchange offer to Mandriva and Turbolinux shareolders too.

    Just make sure you keep/control 51% of the share for control of the company.

    You should seriously consider doing it now and almost as described , because everyone see Ubuntu as the Desktop king this days. That would send a real good message , after the quitting of Red Hat and novell about Ubuntu and that would make those people who think canonical as a charity gasping for air ;-)

    You could always tell me how you rate my fiction by replying to me by email : moulinneuf@yahoo.com

    And if you plan into turning it into a biography and stuff of legends ;-)

    Also , it’s not really for public eyes if you know what I mean ;-)

    reference :

    http://50×15.com/en-us/internet_usage.aspx

    http://finance.google.com/finance?q=AAPL

    http://www.google-ipo.com/

    http://www.news.com/2100-1001-229679.html

    http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=red+hat+ipo&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2008-04-19-007-26-OP-RH-NV

    http://www.guykawasaki.com/books/crazy.shtml

    —–

    God speed on the Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron release.

    Moulinneuf

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  78. Alexa says: (permalink)
    April 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    I did this a while back and it works quite nicely.

  79. J. Taylor says: (permalink)
    April 22nd, 2008 at 7:31 am

    I guess my quote would be: “I don’t use windows not because I hate Microsoft, but because I hate virii, spyware, rootkits, popups, system failures, bugs, freezes, and poor design.”

    Anyhow, I’m very very impressed with what the people at Ubuntu are doing. I personally use Gentoo, and am too entrenched to switch over, but when I’m recommending a distro for people coming from windows, or just wanting to try out Linux, it’s always Ubuntu — they’ve really got a grip on the whole usability thing. Another job well done with this one….

    – J. Taylor

  80. Yesudeep Mangalapilly says: (permalink)
    April 23rd, 2008 at 8:51 am

    Hello there Mark,

    I love the work you and your team has put into build a beautiful distribution. That being said I do have a few requests to make. Few people make quality fonts for free use and distribution. I’d love it if Ubuntu made typography one of its strongholds by introducing competitive fonts to the beautiful Ayuthaya, Monaco, Lucida Grande families available with Mac OS X. Ayuthaya is an especially beautiful font to use for programmers. A font that looks just like that would add serious advantage for people using Ubuntu for a lot of text editing work.

    Other font families that we use here at work with Ubuntu include Inconsolata (which is already available in the repositories), Anonymous, and Liberation Mono.

    Cheers,
    Yesudeep.

  81. Doug Glass says: (permalink)
    April 23rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    WUBI is Ubuntu in a Windows folder…nothing more; the dual boot choice will take you to whichever OS you want and once there, the OS of choice is the active OS with all that implies.

    What’s nice for Windows users, those “afraid” to try Ubuntu, is that WUBI puts the Ubuntu OS 100% into one folder and puts two small files in c:\. The WUBI uninstaller (run within Windows) delete sthe one folder and the two c:\ files. The uninstall is total and all traces are gone from the active Windows OS. “100% gone” meaning all traces of the Ubuntu install are not visible; no comments here on the nature of recovering deleted Windows files.

    WUBI puts nothing into the Windows registry and makes no changes to any entry in the Windows registery.

    The nature of the WUBI install does slightly degrade Ubuntu’s performance.

  82. Sonny says: (permalink)
    April 24th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    I’m definitely gonna install this on my winxp laptop tonight, despite of Hardy’s arrival tomorrow. I was impressed with 6.06 LTS but haven’t got the time to fully use it. Now I will, and when the Heron lands next day, I will be at the forefront of the download queue… Yipee!!!

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