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	<title>Comments on: Economic clustering and Free Software release coordination</title>
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		<title>By: Endolith</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-2#comment-313310</link>
		<dc:creator>Endolith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holding releases to a rigid schedule sounds like a nice idea, but it clearly isn&#039;t working in practice.  

Intrepid is the worst release I&#039;ve seen.  I don&#039;t understand how you can &quot;release&quot; a product with such major show-stopper bugs and regressions.  

Almost HALF of Ubuntu Forums users reported experiencing &quot;many problems that I&#039;ve not been able to solve&quot; with Intrepid, whether they were upgrading or installing for the first time.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963853

If this were my first experience with Ubuntu, I would have abandoned it quickly and gone back to Windows, like I did with every other Linux distro I have tried.  

Edgy Eft caught my attention by being easy to use and working out of the box, and Linux replaced Windows on my machine as my daily OS for the first time.  Now it seems priorities have shifted to shoveling a release out the door every six months, no matter how buggy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holding releases to a rigid schedule sounds like a nice idea, but it clearly isn&#8217;t working in practice.  </p>
<p>Intrepid is the worst release I&#8217;ve seen.  I don&#8217;t understand how you can &#8220;release&#8221; a product with such major show-stopper bugs and regressions.  </p>
<p>Almost HALF of Ubuntu Forums users reported experiencing &#8220;many problems that I&#8217;ve not been able to solve&#8221; with Intrepid, whether they were upgrading or installing for the first time.</p>
<p><a href="http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963853" rel="nofollow">http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963853</a></p>
<p>If this were my first experience with Ubuntu, I would have abandoned it quickly and gone back to Windows, like I did with every other Linux distro I have tried.  </p>
<p>Edgy Eft caught my attention by being easy to use and working out of the box, and Linux replaced Windows on my machine as my daily OS for the first time.  Now it seems priorities have shifted to shoveling a release out the door every six months, no matter how buggy.</p>
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		<title>By: Balaji</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-2#comment-311567</link>
		<dc:creator>Balaji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 07:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a Ubuntu user since 2005 and understand software quite well. I love Ubuntu&#039;s web presence team. They have done an amazing job of making Ubuntu popular. However, I totally disagree with Mark Shuttleworth on his idea of synchronizing all Linux releases and also to force 6 month release cycles on every distribution. In fact, I hate the 6 month distribution cycle. Mark, you are wasting free software talent in forcing your developers to become pure drones that will only integrate softwares with the latest GNOME desktop. It is a total insult to their abilities. Here are my big grudges with Ubuntu&#039;s 6 month release cycle:

Ubuntu is ridden with bugs. It has 10 times more bugs than any version of any other OS around the world - and yes, although I hate Microsoft and Windoze, I must say that Ubuntu has atleast 10 times as many bugs as Windows does. And guess what - you don&#039;t have even one tenth as many users as Microsoft has. And very blithely you quote your first bug as &quot;Microsoft is still the market-share #1&quot; - as if you can do ANYTHING at all to fix that.

Here is my challenge to you:
First fix the other problems in Ubuntu - things that don&#039;t work and work perfectly in other OSes. Make Ubuntu bug free - totally. Then we will all boot Microsoft out of the &#039;window&#039;. In one release sound does not work, in one release the graphics drivers suck, in one release, the mouse stops working. I wish in the next release, if Ubuntu comes with bugs, your wife elopes with Bill Gates.

And do you know WHY Ubuntu is so full of bugs? Because of your stupidity Mark - your idiotic rant on regular 6 month releases - due to your passion to make a LTS release in perfect schedule. Developers&#039; talents are not diverted totally into releasing software and packaging it - not in making better software. What you are doing Mark is totally destroying the Linux community of which even I am a part. I also make software btw - and I give it away for free - but unlike you, I am not a sucker for 6 month releases and schedules - a matter that only stupid jobless managers like. Developers hate pests like you - who have no job to do except lecture about meeting deadlines.

The insane features you add for installation are totally useless after a point. Start making useful software for those that have now adopted Ubuntu. Retain these customers. They should continue to like your product. The more bugs appear in every release of Ubuntu - the more frustrating it is to every old user. And each time that happens, he wishes he were continuing on Microsoft products.

&lt;strong&gt;Mark Shuttleworth says:&lt;/strong&gt; You are of course welcome to take Ubuntu, and improve it dramatically in line with your own vision! The beauty of free software is that you are in no way required to accept my ideas, you have a choice of hundreds of distributions and the option to build your own from scratch or as a derivative. I appreciate that you have taken the time to make suggestions, though.

One thing warrants clarification - in no way am I trying to tell any other project what they should do. I&#039;m simply exploring an idea, that of better coordination between disjointed communities, and laying the groundwork to make that possible if people WANT to do it. I have no illusions about my ability to MAKE anybody do anything, but I have just as much right to outline ideas about how we can improve the free software ecosystem as you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a Ubuntu user since 2005 and understand software quite well. I love Ubuntu&#8217;s web presence team. They have done an amazing job of making Ubuntu popular. However, I totally disagree with Mark Shuttleworth on his idea of synchronizing all Linux releases and also to force 6 month release cycles on every distribution. In fact, I hate the 6 month distribution cycle. Mark, you are wasting free software talent in forcing your developers to become pure drones that will only integrate softwares with the latest GNOME desktop. It is a total insult to their abilities. Here are my big grudges with Ubuntu&#8217;s 6 month release cycle:</p>
<p>Ubuntu is ridden with bugs. It has 10 times more bugs than any version of any other OS around the world &#8211; and yes, although I hate Microsoft and Windoze, I must say that Ubuntu has atleast 10 times as many bugs as Windows does. And guess what &#8211; you don&#8217;t have even one tenth as many users as Microsoft has. And very blithely you quote your first bug as &#8220;Microsoft is still the market-share #1&#8243; &#8211; as if you can do ANYTHING at all to fix that.</p>
<p>Here is my challenge to you:<br />
First fix the other problems in Ubuntu &#8211; things that don&#8217;t work and work perfectly in other OSes. Make Ubuntu bug free &#8211; totally. Then we will all boot Microsoft out of the &#8216;window&#8217;. In one release sound does not work, in one release the graphics drivers suck, in one release, the mouse stops working. I wish in the next release, if Ubuntu comes with bugs, your wife elopes with Bill Gates.</p>
<p>And do you know WHY Ubuntu is so full of bugs? Because of your stupidity Mark &#8211; your idiotic rant on regular 6 month releases &#8211; due to your passion to make a LTS release in perfect schedule. Developers&#8217; talents are not diverted totally into releasing software and packaging it &#8211; not in making better software. What you are doing Mark is totally destroying the Linux community of which even I am a part. I also make software btw &#8211; and I give it away for free &#8211; but unlike you, I am not a sucker for 6 month releases and schedules &#8211; a matter that only stupid jobless managers like. Developers hate pests like you &#8211; who have no job to do except lecture about meeting deadlines.</p>
<p>The insane features you add for installation are totally useless after a point. Start making useful software for those that have now adopted Ubuntu. Retain these customers. They should continue to like your product. The more bugs appear in every release of Ubuntu &#8211; the more frustrating it is to every old user. And each time that happens, he wishes he were continuing on Microsoft products.</p>
<p><strong>Mark Shuttleworth says:</strong> You are of course welcome to take Ubuntu, and improve it dramatically in line with your own vision! The beauty of free software is that you are in no way required to accept my ideas, you have a choice of hundreds of distributions and the option to build your own from scratch or as a derivative. I appreciate that you have taken the time to make suggestions, though.</p>
<p>One thing warrants clarification &#8211; in no way am I trying to tell any other project what they should do. I&#8217;m simply exploring an idea, that of better coordination between disjointed communities, and laying the groundwork to make that possible if people WANT to do it. I have no illusions about my ability to MAKE anybody do anything, but I have just as much right to outline ideas about how we can improve the free software ecosystem as you do.</p>
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		<title>By: GNUBoi</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-2#comment-311564</link>
		<dc:creator>GNUBoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 04:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canonical thinks Ubuntu is only superior in community but is worst at it,, i have checked the released notes of both the prominent distro(for example): ubuntu and fedora  and below are the results:
Fedora Release Notes:
* New version of PackageKit for managing software, with more fixes
        and enhancements (which benefits all distributions)
      * New version of PulseAudio (which benefits all distributions)
      * Kernel 2.6.27, including better support for WiFi
      * Better support for the EFI for Apple Macintosh hardware
      * Faster graphical start-up by Plymouth, replacing the venerable
        RHGB
      * Better support for webcams through the hard work in kernel
        2.6.27 (which benefits all distributions)
      * New icon theme &quot;Echo&quot;, to be completed with the theme graphic
        &quot;Solar&quot; in the Fedora 10 release
      * Gnome 2.24
      * KDE 4.1
      * Adding the NetBeans IDE
      * Eclipse 3.4
      * Automatic installation of multimedia codecs
      * Better HDTV support in X.org
      * &quot;Sugar&quot; graphical environment (from OLPC) available for use,
        testing, and development
--------
ubuntu release notes:
Xorg 7.4 brings improved support for automatic configuration of input
hardware, such as keyboards and mice.

3G support: Network Manager 0.7 comes with a number of greatly
anticipated
features, including management of 3G connections (GSM/CDMA) and PPP/
PPPoE
connnections.

Guest sessions: the User Switcher panel applet provides a new option
for
starting a Guest session.  This creates a temporary, password-less
user
account with restricted privileges - perfect for lending out your
laptop for
a quick email check.

Encrypted private directories: the installer now offers the option to
configure a secret encrypted folder for each user, to be unlocked and
mounted at login time, using ecryptfs.

Virtualization: Ubuntu 8.10 ships with a Virtual Machine builder that
allows
complete Virtual Machines to be built from the command line in less
than
five minutes, with support for scripting custom virtual images.

Java: a complete free Java? stack is supported in Ubuntu 8.10,
including
OpenJDK and Apache Tomcat 6.0, making Ubuntu a great choice for Java
development and deployment.
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Therefore, i think ubuntu should work more on community projects that helps also the distro as fedora, though ubuntu is also great distro.......

PS: this is all my personal opinion but this facts are true....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canonical thinks Ubuntu is only superior in community but is worst at it,, i have checked the released notes of both the prominent distro(for example): ubuntu and fedora  and below are the results:<br />
Fedora Release Notes:<br />
* New version of PackageKit for managing software, with more fixes<br />
        and enhancements (which benefits all distributions)<br />
      * New version of PulseAudio (which benefits all distributions)<br />
      * Kernel 2.6.27, including better support for WiFi<br />
      * Better support for the EFI for Apple Macintosh hardware<br />
      * Faster graphical start-up by Plymouth, replacing the venerable<br />
        RHGB<br />
      * Better support for webcams through the hard work in kernel<br />
        2.6.27 (which benefits all distributions)<br />
      * New icon theme &#8220;Echo&#8221;, to be completed with the theme graphic<br />
        &#8220;Solar&#8221; in the Fedora 10 release<br />
      * Gnome 2.24<br />
      * KDE 4.1<br />
      * Adding the NetBeans IDE<br />
      * Eclipse 3.4<br />
      * Automatic installation of multimedia codecs<br />
      * Better HDTV support in X.org<br />
      * &#8220;Sugar&#8221; graphical environment (from OLPC) available for use,<br />
        testing, and development<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
ubuntu release notes:<br />
Xorg 7.4 brings improved support for automatic configuration of input<br />
hardware, such as keyboards and mice.</p>
<p>3G support: Network Manager 0.7 comes with a number of greatly<br />
anticipated<br />
features, including management of 3G connections (GSM/CDMA) and PPP/<br />
PPPoE<br />
connnections.</p>
<p>Guest sessions: the User Switcher panel applet provides a new option<br />
for<br />
starting a Guest session.  This creates a temporary, password-less<br />
user<br />
account with restricted privileges &#8211; perfect for lending out your<br />
laptop for<br />
a quick email check.</p>
<p>Encrypted private directories: the installer now offers the option to<br />
configure a secret encrypted folder for each user, to be unlocked and<br />
mounted at login time, using ecryptfs.</p>
<p>Virtualization: Ubuntu 8.10 ships with a Virtual Machine builder that<br />
allows<br />
complete Virtual Machines to be built from the command line in less<br />
than<br />
five minutes, with support for scripting custom virtual images.</p>
<p>Java: a complete free Java? stack is supported in Ubuntu 8.10,<br />
including<br />
OpenJDK and Apache Tomcat 6.0, making Ubuntu a great choice for Java<br />
development and deployment.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Therefore, i think ubuntu should work more on community projects that helps also the distro as fedora, though ubuntu is also great distro&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>PS: this is all my personal opinion but this facts are true&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: No sólo software &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GNOME y Ubuntu: o el márketing como una cuestión logística</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-2#comment-310857</link>
		<dc:creator>No sólo software &#187; Blog Archive &#187; GNOME y Ubuntu: o el márketing como una cuestión logística</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] un post de este mismo año, Mark Shuttleworth, habla de coordinar la pila entera de software: Economic clustering and Free Software release coordination. Más allá de entrar en esta discusión, me interesa resaltar el punto clave de su argumentación: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] un post de este mismo año, Mark Shuttleworth, habla de coordinar la pila entera de software: Economic clustering and Free Software release coordination. Más allá de entrar en esta discusión, me interesa resaltar el punto clave de su argumentación: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-1#comment-310779</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 14:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There’s no doubt in my mind that the stronger the “pulse” we are able to create, by coordinating the freezes and releases of major pieces of the free software stack, the stronger our impact on the global software market will be, and the better for all companies - from MySQL to Alfresco, from Zimbra to OBM, from Red Hat to Ubuntu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s no doubt in my mind that the stronger the “pulse” we are able to create, by coordinating the freezes and releases of major pieces of the free software stack, the stronger our impact on the global software market will be, and the better for all companies &#8211; from MySQL to Alfresco, from Zimbra to OBM, from Red Hat to Ubuntu.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Kwashnak</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-1#comment-310731</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Kwashnak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One advantage to distributions not releasing at the same time is the Marketing buzz! 

It increases with each different Distro&#039;s release and people talking about &quot;this&quot; or &quot;that&quot; advantage (or not) the newly-released distribution has that others do not.

Having a staggered release cycle will allow one distribution&#039;s new release create marketing buzz while another is working on their next release.

On the technical side, it also allows a distribution with a particular focus (like the desktop environment, KDE, the kernel, interoperability, etc.) to come out with their achievements in a real-use scenario in which the other distributions can take or leave the parts that interest them.

I do, though, find the comments and similarities with the car industry and with tree seeding very interesting and think it is still viable to look into.

Cheers!
~Drew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One advantage to distributions not releasing at the same time is the Marketing buzz! </p>
<p>It increases with each different Distro&#8217;s release and people talking about &#8220;this&#8221; or &#8220;that&#8221; advantage (or not) the newly-released distribution has that others do not.</p>
<p>Having a staggered release cycle will allow one distribution&#8217;s new release create marketing buzz while another is working on their next release.</p>
<p>On the technical side, it also allows a distribution with a particular focus (like the desktop environment, KDE, the kernel, interoperability, etc.) to come out with their achievements in a real-use scenario in which the other distributions can take or leave the parts that interest them.</p>
<p>I do, though, find the comments and similarities with the car industry and with tree seeding very interesting and think it is still viable to look into.</p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
~Drew</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo Willians</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-1#comment-310221</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo Willians</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will you speak more about market and macroeconomy like that excellent post titled &quot;Economic oversteering&quot;? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will you speak more about market and macroeconomy like that excellent post titled &#8220;Economic oversteering&#8221;? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: mehdi</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-1#comment-310038</link>
		<dc:creator>mehdi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

In the LTS release time I think it&#039;s better that Ubuntu have 2 releases. First LTS and based on bug fixed previous release and Second the normal release, This way I think Ubuntu LTS will have less bugs and be more robust and stable... for example in April 2008 you could have 2 releases. 1. Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (based on ubuntu 7.10) and 2. Ubuntu 8.04...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>In the LTS release time I think it&#8217;s better that Ubuntu have 2 releases. First LTS and based on bug fixed previous release and Second the normal release, This way I think Ubuntu LTS will have less bugs and be more robust and stable&#8230; for example in April 2008 you could have 2 releases. 1. Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (based on ubuntu 7.10) and 2. Ubuntu 8.04&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Socceroos</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-1#comment-310037</link>
		<dc:creator>Socceroos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, Ubuntu&#039;s art team needs attention. I appreciate the work they&#039;re putting in, but the end result is pretty stale. Nothing has changed that much since Dapper Drake.

I&#039;m not sure if its a lack of talent, manpower or leadership - but if you meant what you said in your keynote the other week, then something needs to be done about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, Ubuntu&#8217;s art team needs attention. I appreciate the work they&#8217;re putting in, but the end result is pretty stale. Nothing has changed that much since Dapper Drake.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if its a lack of talent, manpower or leadership &#8211; but if you meant what you said in your keynote the other week, then something needs to be done about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Aesop&#8217;s fable on Standards, RMS and Selling Free Software, Release Coordination: links 25-08-2008 &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/159/comment-page-1#comment-310032</link>
		<dc:creator>Aesop&#8217;s fable on Standards, RMS and Selling Free Software, Release Coordination: links 25-08-2008 &#124; Commercial Open Source Software</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Economic clustering and Free Software release coordination - Mark Shuttleworth believes that for a stronger impact of open source on the global software market we need to coordinate the releases of major pieces of the free software stack. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Economic clustering and Free Software release coordination &#8211; Mark Shuttleworth believes that for a stronger impact of open source on the global software market we need to coordinate the releases of major pieces of the free software stack. [...]</p>
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