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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/261/comment-page-1#comment-316723</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who knows maybe this will push private companies to make a push into space. The resources available in space range from nearly unlimited energy to vast quantities of ore which we could use on earth, and the jobs created in getting there and getting those resources would help out with our present economic crisis more then printing money then pushing it into the economies of the world. It may not seem feasible, but anything that can be done can be made feasible. And while i can not be certin, I believe that we have already in the works at least two ideas to get things into space. One is the space elevator (an idea that reminds me of Jack and the bean stauke), basicly a platform hanging just over the &quot;hill&quot; of Earth&#039;s gravity well, with a rope hanging down. The other is what basicly amounts to a huge catipult, using the same principles as the maglev trains that many countries are starting to impliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who knows maybe this will push private companies to make a push into space. The resources available in space range from nearly unlimited energy to vast quantities of ore which we could use on earth, and the jobs created in getting there and getting those resources would help out with our present economic crisis more then printing money then pushing it into the economies of the world. It may not seem feasible, but anything that can be done can be made feasible. And while i can not be certin, I believe that we have already in the works at least two ideas to get things into space. One is the space elevator (an idea that reminds me of Jack and the bean stauke), basicly a platform hanging just over the &#8220;hill&#8221; of Earth&#8217;s gravity well, with a rope hanging down. The other is what basicly amounts to a huge catipult, using the same principles as the maglev trains that many countries are starting to impliment.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/261/comment-page-1#comment-316615</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 20:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that space tourism is (ATM) a waste of resources and certainly harmful to the earth (the only known inhabitable planet). Just because someone (Richard Branson, eg) has fistfuls of money doesn&#039;t mean that they are ethically justified in using that money how they please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that space tourism is (ATM) a waste of resources and certainly harmful to the earth (the only known inhabitable planet). Just because someone (Richard Branson, eg) has fistfuls of money doesn&#8217;t mean that they are ethically justified in using that money how they please.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/261/comment-page-1#comment-316535</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not that the US is huffish.  It&#039;s that on a base level, Russia and China are our political enemies.  Regardless of what political posturing is done, Russia doesn&#039;t really like us and China wishes we weren&#039;t here.  In fact, China launches electronic attacks on us daily.  And yet we&#039;re supposed to smile and pretend like we&#039;re friends?  That&#039;s not very realistic.

&lt;strong&gt;Mark Shuttleworth says:&lt;/strong&gt; There are individuals on either side of a political divide who could be described as enemies, but that does not make enemies of nations. US-based script kiddies poking at Russian websites, or Chinese script-kiddies poking at US websites, isn&#039;t a rational basis for declaring the nations to be enemies.

This is true even where the &quot;attack&quot; is state-sponsored. I&#039;m sure the CIA and NSA continuously probe for weaknesses in the infrastructure of both allies and non-allies, that doesn&#039;t make the US the enemy of every country in the world. At least, it wouldn&#039;t be constructive to say so, because then *everybody* is the enemy of *everybody*, and it would be hard to get anything done.

The reality is that China and the USA need one another, and thinking people on both sides understand that. The US economy has been entirely dependent on Chinese willingness to extend credit, for decades. Think about that. One of the poorer per-capita nations of the world, extending credit to one of the wealthiest, to support the consumption of individuals and companies. Conversely, China is dependent on the US for its export industry.

It&#039;s easy to conjure enemies out of strangers - just ascribe &quot;hostile intentions&quot; to culturally different behaviour. But this works both ways. Imagine what the Chinese could say about America: &quot;you&#039;ve systematically debased the value of our loans to you&quot;, &quot;you&#039;ve launched attacks on small countries with no evidence of hostility, and been shown to have violated the human rights of prisoners&quot;. But those sorts of statements really don&#039;t help to get anything done.

Even in cases where people ARE sworn enemies, it&#039;s better to negotiate. Decades of strife in Northern Ireland were only put to rest after economic growth created opportunities for all, and real negotiations between sworn enemies took place behind the scenes. The same is true of South Africa. It will be true of Iran, too: the only way to resolve differences is to celebrate the willingness of leaders on both sides to find constructive things to do together.

In the case of space, the US is weak. The shuttle will be grounded soon, and becomes more dangerous with every flight. If they don&#039;t ground it for political reasons, they will be saying that the lives of astronauts are cheap compared to national ego. Russia and China are important countries. Space access is a matter of pride more than military strength (all countries that care have sufficient military presence in space, and that has NOTHING to do with civilian manned spaceflight), so it&#039;s a great area for high-profile collaboration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not that the US is huffish.  It&#8217;s that on a base level, Russia and China are our political enemies.  Regardless of what political posturing is done, Russia doesn&#8217;t really like us and China wishes we weren&#8217;t here.  In fact, China launches electronic attacks on us daily.  And yet we&#8217;re supposed to smile and pretend like we&#8217;re friends?  That&#8217;s not very realistic.</p>
<p><strong>Mark Shuttleworth says:</strong> There are individuals on either side of a political divide who could be described as enemies, but that does not make enemies of nations. US-based script kiddies poking at Russian websites, or Chinese script-kiddies poking at US websites, isn&#8217;t a rational basis for declaring the nations to be enemies.</p>
<p>This is true even where the &#8220;attack&#8221; is state-sponsored. I&#8217;m sure the CIA and NSA continuously probe for weaknesses in the infrastructure of both allies and non-allies, that doesn&#8217;t make the US the enemy of every country in the world. At least, it wouldn&#8217;t be constructive to say so, because then *everybody* is the enemy of *everybody*, and it would be hard to get anything done.</p>
<p>The reality is that China and the USA need one another, and thinking people on both sides understand that. The US economy has been entirely dependent on Chinese willingness to extend credit, for decades. Think about that. One of the poorer per-capita nations of the world, extending credit to one of the wealthiest, to support the consumption of individuals and companies. Conversely, China is dependent on the US for its export industry.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to conjure enemies out of strangers &#8211; just ascribe &#8220;hostile intentions&#8221; to culturally different behaviour. But this works both ways. Imagine what the Chinese could say about America: &#8220;you&#8217;ve systematically debased the value of our loans to you&#8221;, &#8220;you&#8217;ve launched attacks on small countries with no evidence of hostility, and been shown to have violated the human rights of prisoners&#8221;. But those sorts of statements really don&#8217;t help to get anything done.</p>
<p>Even in cases where people ARE sworn enemies, it&#8217;s better to negotiate. Decades of strife in Northern Ireland were only put to rest after economic growth created opportunities for all, and real negotiations between sworn enemies took place behind the scenes. The same is true of South Africa. It will be true of Iran, too: the only way to resolve differences is to celebrate the willingness of leaders on both sides to find constructive things to do together.</p>
<p>In the case of space, the US is weak. The shuttle will be grounded soon, and becomes more dangerous with every flight. If they don&#8217;t ground it for political reasons, they will be saying that the lives of astronauts are cheap compared to national ego. Russia and China are important countries. Space access is a matter of pride more than military strength (all countries that care have sufficient military presence in space, and that has NOTHING to do with civilian manned spaceflight), so it&#8217;s a great area for high-profile collaboration.</p>
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		<title>By: Guts</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/261/comment-page-1#comment-316520</link>
		<dc:creator>Guts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am quite surprised looking at the comments. I was expecting a lot more people would be interested in Space, but only 6 comments? I think its so disappointing that the current governments are not that interested in space and beyond because of economic reasons. But I believe that space travel always boosts the morale of the scientists and human kind. I still believe that most of the communications today are reality mainly because of our advancements in space. Also, space exploration helps us to think beyond earth, which is highly essential for mankind at this moment. Also, the Soyuz is one of the best space programs with manned capabilities. Also If ESA can pull the ATV with manned capabilities that would definitely help a lot and space tourism will bounce back. I do appreciate Mr.Shuttleworth for taking time and posting something related to space. A very loyal space tourist!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite surprised looking at the comments. I was expecting a lot more people would be interested in Space, but only 6 comments? I think its so disappointing that the current governments are not that interested in space and beyond because of economic reasons. But I believe that space travel always boosts the morale of the scientists and human kind. I still believe that most of the communications today are reality mainly because of our advancements in space. Also, space exploration helps us to think beyond earth, which is highly essential for mankind at this moment. Also, the Soyuz is one of the best space programs with manned capabilities. Also If ESA can pull the ATV with manned capabilities that would definitely help a lot and space tourism will bounce back. I do appreciate Mr.Shuttleworth for taking time and posting something related to space. A very loyal space tourist!</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Costa</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/261/comment-page-1#comment-316508</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 19:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The shuttle is retiring what? Next year?

SpaceX is testing their Falcon 9 soon, if it all goes well then all they need is to get the Dragon capsule working and they&#039;re in business, right?

Let&#039;s hope they work overtime. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shuttle is retiring what? Next year?</p>
<p>SpaceX is testing their Falcon 9 soon, if it all goes well then all they need is to get the Dragon capsule working and they&#8217;re in business, right?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope they work overtime. <img src='http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Barbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 07:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is exactly the issue and when we don&#039;t manage to fix all the problems on earth? Then I&#039;d rather have an escape route... viva space travel viva!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is exactly the issue and when we don&#8217;t manage to fix all the problems on earth? Then I&#8217;d rather have an escape route&#8230; viva space travel viva!!</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/261/comment-page-1#comment-316468</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, you said it: you have no idea.

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, you said it: you have no idea.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: psihodelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>psihodelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 20:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, maybe India and Iran will join the club soon. There is no doubt that China will be the only leader in space projects in the near future - just look at how many space launching sites they already have and are willing to have soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, maybe India and Iran will join the club soon. There is no doubt that China will be the only leader in space projects in the near future &#8211; just look at how many space launching sites they already have and are willing to have soon.</p>
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		<title>By: tardegrade</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/261/comment-page-1#comment-316362</link>
		<dc:creator>tardegrade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 23:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think back to 1492 if you will. Fortunately no one told Christopher Columbus&#039; at the time, not to take a jolly in his yacht and discover the new world, because there was too much crap to sort out in Spain first.

Space is a huge opportunity for us. We live on a planet of finite resources, floating in an ocean of infinite resources. We would be far better off using space as a platform to help ease our ill&#039;s, as opposed to sitting on our thumbs by staying here on Earth and waiting for an asteroid to hit us, whilst worrying about how many billions of people we need to cull in order to reduce our carbon footprint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think back to 1492 if you will. Fortunately no one told Christopher Columbus&#8217; at the time, not to take a jolly in his yacht and discover the new world, because there was too much crap to sort out in Spain first.</p>
<p>Space is a huge opportunity for us. We live on a planet of finite resources, floating in an ocean of infinite resources. We would be far better off using space as a platform to help ease our ill&#8217;s, as opposed to sitting on our thumbs by staying here on Earth and waiting for an asteroid to hit us, whilst worrying about how many billions of people we need to cull in order to reduce our carbon footprint.</p>
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		<title>By: zelrik</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/261/comment-page-1#comment-316307</link>
		<dc:creator>zelrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think space travel is the least of our concerns for now. There so much crap to fix on earth first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think space travel is the least of our concerns for now. There so much crap to fix on earth first.</p>
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