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		<title>By: westdam</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328897</link>
		<dc:creator>westdam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 08:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucid is fantastic, great work!! I&#039;m from italy, i like the windicators idea.. very impressive.

I&#039;d like to have a new windicators : just a button to obscure the window. This could be done for multiple reason also privacy. Once the button is pressed the windows just become black or trasparent ( only the window of course not the status bar ) . If the button is pressed again  the user password should be asked for security reason and the content of the window appear. What do you think? it&#039;s just an idea, glad to help if possibile of course

marco bottacin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucid is fantastic, great work!! I&#8217;m from italy, i like the windicators idea.. very impressive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to have a new windicators : just a button to obscure the window. This could be done for multiple reason also privacy. Once the button is pressed the windows just become black or trasparent ( only the window of course not the status bar ) . If the button is pressed again  the user password should be asked for security reason and the content of the window appear. What do you think? it&#8217;s just an idea, glad to help if possibile of course</p>
<p>marco bottacin</p>
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		<title>By: theodore</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328859</link>
		<dc:creator>theodore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 01:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also have the task bar panel automatically hide when its not needed (most of the time)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also have the task bar panel automatically hide when its not needed (most of the time)</p>
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		<title>By: theodore</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328858</link>
		<dc:creator>theodore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 01:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding windicators also implies that netbook remix is moving away from the notion of always maximised apps with no chrome with buttons for minimising/closing apps. 

1. So wouldnt that actually take away vertical space? You will still need a panel containing a task bar/start menu button or some other intuitive and fast way to do those things. I saw that in gnome-shell that happens beautifully by just hitting the left top corner of the screen, but I read that next version of ubuntu will not use gnome-shell. 

From the viewpoint of a user with a really small netbook screen, I would prefer not to have any window decorations with windicators and just a panel, in order to save a couple of inches.

2. Also, laying down applications in a list vertically leaves a huge blank space spot on the bottom of the list (as seen on your example mockup) .. Maybe instead of showing a list of the windows as text, it can show them in the form of thumbnails,which are scaled accordingly to the user&#039;s preference?

I really like the idea of the windicators, though it might confuse some new users by adding a whole new layer of complexity (but also user experience richness)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding windicators also implies that netbook remix is moving away from the notion of always maximised apps with no chrome with buttons for minimising/closing apps. </p>
<p>1. So wouldnt that actually take away vertical space? You will still need a panel containing a task bar/start menu button or some other intuitive and fast way to do those things. I saw that in gnome-shell that happens beautifully by just hitting the left top corner of the screen, but I read that next version of ubuntu will not use gnome-shell. </p>
<p>From the viewpoint of a user with a really small netbook screen, I would prefer not to have any window decorations with windicators and just a panel, in order to save a couple of inches.</p>
<p>2. Also, laying down applications in a list vertically leaves a huge blank space spot on the bottom of the list (as seen on your example mockup) .. Maybe instead of showing a list of the windows as text, it can show them in the form of thumbnails,which are scaled accordingly to the user&#8217;s preference?</p>
<p>I really like the idea of the windicators, though it might confuse some new users by adding a whole new layer of complexity (but also user experience richness)</p>
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		<title>By: jenningsthecat</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328855</link>
		<dc:creator>jenningsthecat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 22:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t you just put the Windicators on the LEFT side, and leave the window controls on the right, where most of us are used to having them? (You could swap left for right on the panel so it matches the windows&#039; titlebar layout; I believe this would be a much easier change for most users to accomodate). And if you&#039;re going to move the window controls to the left corner, then please Please PLEASE leave us an easy way to move them back to the right corner, even if we have to disable the windicators to do so.

Also, I can see &quot;Temporary status message, as an overlay&quot; could get really annoying really quickly. It reminds me somewhat of Windows&#039; pop-up ballons, which I disabled at the earliest opportunity back when I was a regular Windows user. If the overlay stays up too long then it&#039;s obstructive and distracting, and transparency does very little to help with that. On the other hand, if it doesn&#039;t stay up long enough then it&#039;s not useful. And if the user has to click on it to get rid of it, that&#039;s just one more interruption of the work flow.

I fully understand both the desire and the need to keep improving Ubuntu and Gnome. So, how about fixing Nautilus? Its built-in search functionality doesn&#039;t allow searching for text within files, or searching for a date range; these require launching a separate app. There is no click-and-drag selection capability. Right-click in Tree View doesn&#039;t highlight the directory being clicked. There is no immediate indication of whether a directory is empty. It doesn&#039;t honor date preferences when it&#039;s called by an application as part of a &#039;File - Save&#039; operation.

I really thing basic functionality ought to be addressed before issues that are primarily esthetic are dealt with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you just put the Windicators on the LEFT side, and leave the window controls on the right, where most of us are used to having them? (You could swap left for right on the panel so it matches the windows&#8217; titlebar layout; I believe this would be a much easier change for most users to accomodate). And if you&#8217;re going to move the window controls to the left corner, then please Please PLEASE leave us an easy way to move them back to the right corner, even if we have to disable the windicators to do so.</p>
<p>Also, I can see &#8220;Temporary status message, as an overlay&#8221; could get really annoying really quickly. It reminds me somewhat of Windows&#8217; pop-up ballons, which I disabled at the earliest opportunity back when I was a regular Windows user. If the overlay stays up too long then it&#8217;s obstructive and distracting, and transparency does very little to help with that. On the other hand, if it doesn&#8217;t stay up long enough then it&#8217;s not useful. And if the user has to click on it to get rid of it, that&#8217;s just one more interruption of the work flow.</p>
<p>I fully understand both the desire and the need to keep improving Ubuntu and Gnome. So, how about fixing Nautilus? Its built-in search functionality doesn&#8217;t allow searching for text within files, or searching for a date range; these require launching a separate app. There is no click-and-drag selection capability. Right-click in Tree View doesn&#8217;t highlight the directory being clicked. There is no immediate indication of whether a directory is empty. It doesn&#8217;t honor date preferences when it&#8217;s called by an application as part of a &#8216;File &#8211; Save&#8217; operation.</p>
<p>I really thing basic functionality ought to be addressed before issues that are primarily esthetic are dealt with.</p>
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		<title>By: [Tips]Ri-spostare le icone del bordo finestra a destra. &#171; MartPizz Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328783</link>
		<dc:creator>[Tips]Ri-spostare le icone del bordo finestra a destra. &#171; MartPizz Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 19:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shuttleworth ha recentemente annunciato che ha in programma, per il prossimo rilascio di Ubuntu (10.10, Maverick Meerkat, il 28 Ottobre [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Filosofia dell&#8217;Open Source, di GNU/Linux, e in particolare di Ubuntu &#171; MartPizz Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328738</link>
		<dc:creator>Filosofia dell&#8217;Open Source, di GNU/Linux, e in particolare di Ubuntu &#171; MartPizz Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 19:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] stupido? Perché copiare dal Mac OS solo per il gusto di farlo? Dichiara Mark Shuttleworth in questo suo articolo, che lo spostamento è terapeutico a una futura aggiunta degli windicators, che ancora si deve [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] stupido? Perché copiare dal Mac OS solo per il gusto di farlo? Dichiara Mark Shuttleworth in questo suo articolo, che lo spostamento è terapeutico a una futura aggiunta degli windicators, che ancora si deve [...]</p>
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		<title>By: h1z</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328687</link>
		<dc:creator>h1z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 11:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Create &quot;get root right&quot; window indicator for Nautilus or use dialog passwd as a Finder(Mac OS X).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Create &#8220;get root right&#8221; window indicator for Nautilus or use dialog passwd as a Finder(Mac OS X).</p>
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		<title>By: Things to do after installing Lucid Lynx 10.04 &#171; Martin&#8217;s Ubuntu Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328662</link>
		<dc:creator>Things to do after installing Lucid Lynx 10.04 &#171; Martin&#8217;s Ubuntu Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 22:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] while first as it hear to stay! &#8220;windicators&#8221; are on their way for right hand side see  here  for an explanation and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Identidad visual: más allá de la UI &#124; Ayuda Linux</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/333/comment-page-6#comment-328541</link>
		<dc:creator>Identidad visual: más allá de la UI &#124; Ayuda Linux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 15:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fueron implementados hace tiempo ya por Mac OS X? Una de las pocas ideas realmente nuevas son los Windicators, que utilizarían el espacio que quedó libre a la derecha. Relacionado con esto, el boom de las [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fueron implementados hace tiempo ya por Mac OS X? Una de las pocas ideas realmente nuevas son los Windicators, que utilizarían el espacio que quedó libre a la derecha. Relacionado con esto, el boom de las [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Davie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Davie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 08:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about a CPU usage indicator on a per-window basis?
Or memory usage, etc.  These would be pretty neat.
If multiple instances of the same proggy are open, perhaps a &quot;switch to next instance&quot; would be useful.
I could see having a &quot;Pause/Suspend/Resume&quot; option might be useful for some programs. 
I&#039;m one of those who absolutely hated the left-side button re-placement. However, I decided to &quot;give it a go&quot; and left it there. It takes a while to get used to. Now I&#039;m pretty much &quot;meh&quot;. The one annoyance is the inconsistency with Firefox; and that is, if you drag a window by the blank space in the same horizontal plane as the menu, it works.... EXCEPT for Firefox, which doesn&#039;t work. Pity.
Cheers
A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a CPU usage indicator on a per-window basis?<br />
Or memory usage, etc.  These would be pretty neat.<br />
If multiple instances of the same proggy are open, perhaps a &#8220;switch to next instance&#8221; would be useful.<br />
I could see having a &#8220;Pause/Suspend/Resume&#8221; option might be useful for some programs.<br />
I&#8217;m one of those who absolutely hated the left-side button re-placement. However, I decided to &#8220;give it a go&#8221; and left it there. It takes a while to get used to. Now I&#8217;m pretty much &#8220;meh&#8221;. The one annoyance is the inconsistency with Firefox; and that is, if you drag a window by the blank space in the same horizontal plane as the menu, it works&#8230;. EXCEPT for Firefox, which doesn&#8217;t work. Pity.<br />
Cheers<br />
A</p>
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