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	<title>Comments on: Tags on bugs in Launchpad</title>
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		<title>By: Gisela Giardino</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/51/comment-page-1#comment-6081</link>
		<dc:creator>Gisela Giardino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2006 13:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Mark, I liked that witty use of suffixes here... -ism and -onomy. I like playing at the semantic sandbox. =)

How would you pronounce web2.0ism (is it two point &quot;o&quot;, or two point &quot;zero&quot;?) Help appreciatted I am a spanish native speaker. About tagging -which can be called &quot;taggism&quot; too with no doubt for the strong belief on its attributes and frantic pratice- I agree with Simon above, tagging is fun, yet not reliable at serious level because each tagger (or &quot;taggist&quot; :-P ) uses its own criteria... have you ever seen a reliable information sistem which uses millions of different criterias to classify data... and work?  Definitely, this chaotic taggism nowadays should become or make room for an ultimate proper tags-onomy. &#124;-)

Puns apart, I wanted to say Hi! to you. I´ve come to you for Esthr photos and a somebody pointed me to your blog´s biography. A kiss from Argentina, stay cool,

Gisela
The Alieness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Mark, I liked that witty use of suffixes here&#8230; -ism and -onomy. I like playing at the semantic sandbox. =)</p>
<p>How would you pronounce web2.0ism (is it two point &#8220;o&#8221;, or two point &#8220;zero&#8221;?) Help appreciatted I am a spanish native speaker. About tagging -which can be called &#8220;taggism&#8221; too with no doubt for the strong belief on its attributes and frantic pratice- I agree with Simon above, tagging is fun, yet not reliable at serious level because each tagger (or &#8220;taggist&#8221; <img src='http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' />  ) uses its own criteria&#8230; have you ever seen a reliable information sistem which uses millions of different criterias to classify data&#8230; and work?  Definitely, this chaotic taggism nowadays should become or make room for an ultimate proper tags-onomy. |-)</p>
<p>Puns apart, I wanted to say Hi! to you. I´ve come to you for Esthr photos and a somebody pointed me to your blog´s biography. A kiss from Argentina, stay cool,</p>
<p>Gisela<br />
The Alieness</p>
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		<title>By: -marc=</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/51/comment-page-1#comment-2849</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 09:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Just a side note: 

I&#039;m reading somewhat of a common misconception in your posting about these &#039;folksonomies&#039; in relation to their ancestor the &#039;taxonomy&#039;.

To me  the biggest difference between the two is that the former indicates some sort of &#039;emancipation&#039;  Doing away with a format were only one controlling influence or treasurer is allowed to exist.  To me the one-taxonomy just got replaced by a multi-taxonomy.  The sure way to not end up in utter chaos is not to remove but rather decentralize and share the management responsibilities.  So more then a technical achievement, I think this is the advent of a brave social  positioning about responsibility sharing, quite like the spirit of Ubuntu IMHO :-)

More philosophical sidesteps on the subject:
* the &#039;test of independent invention&#039; form the axioms of web architecture&#039; over at http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Principles.html
* some personal associations posted a year ago: http://blogs.cocoondev.org/mpo/archives/003309.html

kind regards,
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>Just a side note: </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading somewhat of a common misconception in your posting about these &#8216;folksonomies&#8217; in relation to their ancestor the &#8216;taxonomy&#8217;.</p>
<p>To me  the biggest difference between the two is that the former indicates some sort of &#8216;emancipation&#8217;  Doing away with a format were only one controlling influence or treasurer is allowed to exist.  To me the one-taxonomy just got replaced by a multi-taxonomy.  The sure way to not end up in utter chaos is not to remove but rather decentralize and share the management responsibilities.  So more then a technical achievement, I think this is the advent of a brave social  positioning about responsibility sharing, quite like the spirit of Ubuntu IMHO <img src='http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>More philosophical sidesteps on the subject:<br />
* the &#8216;test of independent invention&#8217; form the axioms of web architecture&#8217; over at <a href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Principles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Principles.html</a><br />
* some personal associations posted a year ago: <a href="http://blogs.cocoondev.org/mpo/archives/003309.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.cocoondev.org/mpo/archives/003309.html</a></p>
<p>kind regards,<br />
-marc=</p>
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		<title>By: Sitsofe</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/51/comment-page-1#comment-2842</link>
		<dc:creator>Sitsofe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 07:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my ideas for tags is contained over here: https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/37447</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my ideas for tags is contained over here: <a href="https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/37447" rel="nofollow">https://launchpad.net/products/malone/+bug/37447</a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon Willison</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/51/comment-page-1#comment-2801</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Willison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think tags are best used for situations where it doesn&#039;t matter if things are miss-tagged - where you aren&#039;t relying on everything relating to &#039;foo&#039; getting the &#039;foo&#039; tag. Services like del.icio.us and Flickr fit this perspective - they&#039;re focused around browsing and discovery within an enormous corpus, where no one could hope to look at everything matching their specific term. del.icio.us is further helped by the fact that many different people are tagging the same thing, dramatically increasing the overall amount of metadata collected.

LaunchPad&#039;s tagging system will probably be useful in a different way: providing an alternative, more flexible way of creating arbitrary &quot;slices&quot; across the dataset. It should be interesting to see how it develops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think tags are best used for situations where it doesn&#8217;t matter if things are miss-tagged &#8211; where you aren&#8217;t relying on everything relating to &#8216;foo&#8217; getting the &#8216;foo&#8217; tag. Services like del.icio.us and Flickr fit this perspective &#8211; they&#8217;re focused around browsing and discovery within an enormous corpus, where no one could hope to look at everything matching their specific term. del.icio.us is further helped by the fact that many different people are tagging the same thing, dramatically increasing the overall amount of metadata collected.</p>
<p>LaunchPad&#8217;s tagging system will probably be useful in a different way: providing an alternative, more flexible way of creating arbitrary &#8220;slices&#8221; across the dataset. It should be interesting to see how it develops.</p>
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