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	<title>Comments on: A kind invitation</title>
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	<description>Planetary perspectives</description>
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		<title>By: HauserQuaid</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-335084</link>
		<dc:creator>HauserQuaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, very nice. That&#039;s how it should be done, collaboration is the biggest potential strength of Linux Desktop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, very nice. That&#8217;s how it should be done, collaboration is the biggest potential strength of Linux Desktop.</p>
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		<title>By: mac</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-335078</link>
		<dc:creator>mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 22:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keeping in mind your post on tribalism (&quot;the grandaddy of all forms of discrimination&quot;, if I remember correctly your words) I am happy too to see Ubuntu and OpenSuse communicating.

Nevertheless, unless something has changed since I last checked, Novell is the main (sole?) sponsors behind OpenSuse, and Novell does have a very poor record when it comes to free software.

Far from suggesting that the Ubuntu community council should turn down the offer, I still think that the difference in philosophy between a &quot;free-as-in-spirit&quot; distro like Ubuntu and a &quot;free-as-in-license&quot; distro like OpenSuse are worth being underlined and discussed (maybe directly there?).

Again: it is not about bragging about a supposedly &quot;higher purity of principles&quot; or trying to be unkind towards our host. It&#039;s just that the very concept of borders implies the concept of different countries, and my way of imagining a &quot;cross-border event&quot; is not that of an event that cancel or hide differences, but that of an event where these are explored, examined, compared... for each &quot;country&quot; to acquire a fuller perspective of themselves, but also for the general public to get a better, more informed picture of the world &quot;out there&quot;.

So: while I am glad to see this invitation, I would also expect the Ubuntu &quot;delegate&quot; to strongly advocate - also in that forum - for those values that Novell&#039;s involved with the project has partially undermined for OpenSuse.

Have a nice conference!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping in mind your post on tribalism (&#8220;the grandaddy of all forms of discrimination&#8221;, if I remember correctly your words) I am happy too to see Ubuntu and OpenSuse communicating.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, unless something has changed since I last checked, Novell is the main (sole?) sponsors behind OpenSuse, and Novell does have a very poor record when it comes to free software.</p>
<p>Far from suggesting that the Ubuntu community council should turn down the offer, I still think that the difference in philosophy between a &#8220;free-as-in-spirit&#8221; distro like Ubuntu and a &#8220;free-as-in-license&#8221; distro like OpenSuse are worth being underlined and discussed (maybe directly there?).</p>
<p>Again: it is not about bragging about a supposedly &#8220;higher purity of principles&#8221; or trying to be unkind towards our host. It&#8217;s just that the very concept of borders implies the concept of different countries, and my way of imagining a &#8220;cross-border event&#8221; is not that of an event that cancel or hide differences, but that of an event where these are explored, examined, compared&#8230; for each &#8220;country&#8221; to acquire a fuller perspective of themselves, but also for the general public to get a better, more informed picture of the world &#8220;out there&#8221;.</p>
<p>So: while I am glad to see this invitation, I would also expect the Ubuntu &#8220;delegate&#8221; to strongly advocate &#8211; also in that forum &#8211; for those values that Novell&#8217;s involved with the project has partially undermined for OpenSuse.</p>
<p>Have a nice conference!</p>
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		<title>By: Ubuntu all&#8217;openSuse conference &#124; Giovanni Raco</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-334989</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubuntu all&#8217;openSuse conference &#124; Giovanni Raco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shuttleworth ha annunciato sul suo blog che Canonical sponsorizzerà la partecipazione di un membro dell&#8217;Ubuntu community council [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shuttleworth ha annunciato sul suo blog che Canonical sponsorizzerà la partecipazione di un membro dell&#8217;Ubuntu community council [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-334452</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Cypher

I don&#039;t believe I&#039;m syndicated on Planet KDE, so me blogging it won&#039;t reach that audience. Please don&#039;t be rude and insulting, you&#039;re only demeaning yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Cypher</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m syndicated on Planet KDE, so me blogging it won&#8217;t reach that audience. Please don&#8217;t be rude and insulting, you&#8217;re only demeaning yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-334424</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great. 

I really SHOULD be all about making the Linux pie bigger and not about eating each others pie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great. </p>
<p>I really SHOULD be all about making the Linux pie bigger and not about eating each others pie.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas T. (ungethym)</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-334421</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas T. (ungethym)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 to everyone improving the collaboration between FLOSS projects. We are all part of the big FLOSS community. 

Btw: openSUSE is a FLOSS community and many of the contributors are not payed by the main sponsor. Sure, Novell is a main sponsor but most of the other big distributions have their main sponsors, too. 
Andrew Ampers Taylor: I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s fair to associate the community with things the sponsor has &quot;done&quot; years a go. openSUSE has moved and is still moving into an excellent direction. So please give us a chance and judge us by the things we do and not by the things somebody else has done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 to everyone improving the collaboration between FLOSS projects. We are all part of the big FLOSS community. </p>
<p>Btw: openSUSE is a FLOSS community and many of the contributors are not payed by the main sponsor. Sure, Novell is a main sponsor but most of the other big distributions have their main sponsors, too.<br />
Andrew Ampers Taylor: I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s fair to associate the community with things the sponsor has &#8220;done&#8221; years a go. openSUSE has moved and is still moving into an excellent direction. So please give us a chance and judge us by the things we do and not by the things somebody else has done.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubuntu auf der openSUSE Conference 2010 : Karl-Tux-Stadt</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-334407</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubuntu auf der openSUSE Conference 2010 : Karl-Tux-Stadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] trotzdem einen Vertreter des Ubuntu Community Council zur openSUSE Conference entsenden. Shuttleworth reagiert damit auf eine direkte Einladung des openSUSE Board an den Ubuntu Community Council. Er selbst habe [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] trotzdem einen Vertreter des Ubuntu Community Council zur openSUSE Conference entsenden. Shuttleworth reagiert damit auf eine direkte Einladung des openSUSE Board an den Ubuntu Community Council. Er selbst habe [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MANDY SAULS</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-334400</link>
		<dc:creator>MANDY SAULS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ek is seker iemand van UbuntuDuitsland
sal dalk kan bywoon.
Alles van die Beste  met die OpenSUSE konferensie in Oktober.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ek is seker iemand van UbuntuDuitsland<br />
sal dalk kan bywoon.<br />
Alles van die Beste  met die OpenSUSE konferensie in Oktober.</p>
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		<title>By: s.r</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-334388</link>
		<dc:creator>s.r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great. Scinece (and computer science too) couldn&#039;t rich without communicating between different groups. I&#039;d prefer it makes deeply interaction between all Linux programmers community not only Ubuntu (at least between Ubuntu and OpenSUSE). But... I&#039;ve heard that Novell have some trubles in their business so it could be SUSE problems too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great. Scinece (and computer science too) couldn&#8217;t rich without communicating between different groups. I&#8217;d prefer it makes deeply interaction between all Linux programmers community not only Ubuntu (at least between Ubuntu and OpenSUSE). But&#8230; I&#8217;ve heard that Novell have some trubles in their business so it could be SUSE problems too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jorge</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/529/comment-page-1#comment-334387</link>
		<dc:creator>Jorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 14:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few weeks ago Andrew Wafaa was looking for help getting more distros participating so we announced it via the debian derivatives list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives/

I recall a post on -project so hopefully there will be some participation from Debian as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago Andrew Wafaa was looking for help getting more distros participating so we announced it via the debian derivatives list: <a href="http://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives/" rel="nofollow">http://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives/</a></p>
<p>I recall a post on -project so hopefully there will be some participation from Debian as well.</p>
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