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		<title>By: Matthew Revell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Revell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Licence proliferation...&lt;/strong&gt;

In the most recent LugRadio, we discussed licence proliferation.
Our main conclusions were that:

licence proliferation is damaging to free software because it makes it harder to remember what rights each licence grants us
a licence picker, similar to ...</description>
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<p>In the most recent LugRadio, we discussed licence proliferation.<br />
Our main conclusions were that:</p>
<p>licence proliferation is damaging to free software because it makes it harder to remember what rights each licence grants us<br />
a licence picker, similar to &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Next Generation Internet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open Source licensiering</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/67#comment-14609</link>
		<dc:creator>Next Generation Internet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open Source licensiering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Nov 2006 08:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Här börjat gräva lite oorganiserat i hur de olika open source licensieringarna är uppbyggda. Vill bara dela med mig av denna läsvärda artikel. Hela hans kategori Free Software har många intressant vinklingar och artiklar. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Här börjat gräva lite oorganiserat i hur de olika open source licensieringarna är uppbyggda. Vill bara dela med mig av denna läsvärda artikel. Hela hans kategori Free Software har många intressant vinklingar och artiklar. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/67#comment-14080</link>
		<dc:creator>David Mackey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a big fan of the Creative Commons. I have used it one one of my sites - a Koine Greek Open Source Project. It makes it very simple to know what rights the author and the user has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a big fan of the Creative Commons. I have used it one one of my sites - a Koine Greek Open Source Project. It makes it very simple to know what rights the author and the user has.</p>
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		<title>By: symbolic meditation</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/67#comment-13839</link>
		<dc:creator>symbolic meditation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mark:
I perceive the CC licenses have somewhat Balkanized inside that "license space" you mention and have lost somehow its initial drive. I think we must foster the most freedom-guaranteeing licence we can get, and in this sense he GPL has done and I hope will continue to do the job very well. There is no denying that BSD licenses are there to stay as well and that their motivations are honest, even when they conceive freedom from a different optic. BSD advocates contemplate the freedom-guaranteeing clauses of the GPL as a limitation and not as a mechanism to ensure otherś freedom. As I say, given its historical record, there is not suspicion about the freedom friendlyness of the BSD licenses. But I tend to be wary of newcomers with vested interest, such as the shared source initiative from our friends (sarcastic) from Redmond, and I think you cant blame me for that. This company has yet way too much things to prove before it can be called a free community member by its own merits, and I honestly doubt they will ever do that. I think they just dont believe in the free software philosophy, they are just willing to take advantage of our good willingness, and I think we would be wise not to accept every initiative they want to throw at "apparently" collaborating with free software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mark:<br />
I perceive the CC licenses have somewhat Balkanized inside that &#8220;license space&#8221; you mention and have lost somehow its initial drive. I think we must foster the most freedom-guaranteeing licence we can get, and in this sense he GPL has done and I hope will continue to do the job very well. There is no denying that BSD licenses are there to stay as well and that their motivations are honest, even when they conceive freedom from a different optic. BSD advocates contemplate the freedom-guaranteeing clauses of the GPL as a limitation and not as a mechanism to ensure otherś freedom. As I say, given its historical record, there is not suspicion about the freedom friendlyness of the BSD licenses. But I tend to be wary of newcomers with vested interest, such as the shared source initiative from our friends (sarcastic) from Redmond, and I think you cant blame me for that. This company has yet way too much things to prove before it can be called a free community member by its own merits, and I honestly doubt they will ever do that. I think they just dont believe in the free software philosophy, they are just willing to take advantage of our good willingness, and I think we would be wise not to accept every initiative they want to throw at &#8220;apparently&#8221; collaborating with free software.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/67#comment-13490</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OSI is a mess.

Mark is right, they're well-placed to make *the* difference, but I doubt the current "self-selected" board can get the job done.

http://www.opensource.org/docs/board.html

They should have pushed Russ Nelson all the way out, rather than allow him to remain after his 'gaffe' in Feb 2005.   Especially now that he's repeating it.

http://angry-economist.russnelson.com/nigger.html


(How can anyone remain on a board after repeating this kind of stunt?)

The OSI was responsible for "license proliferation" because they let Larry Rosen (a lawyer) run the show.  Larry said that all licenses that 'fit' the "Open Source Definition" had to be allowed, else the OSI would get sued.

the OSD was the work of ESR, who ... unfortunately is not a lawyer, and likely didn't forsee the result.  Still, since "open source" is a marketing campaign, *designed from the outset* to defeat Free Software, I hope that Mark will take his ideas to an organization other than the OSI.  

Perhaps we need a repalcement for the OSI, alligned with the Creative Commons folk.   Invite Lessig and the EFF and perhaps 2-3 other parties.  Make a new CC-style license for software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OSI is a mess.</p>
<p>Mark is right, they&#8217;re well-placed to make *the* difference, but I doubt the current &#8220;self-selected&#8221; board can get the job done.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opensource.org/docs/board.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensource.org/docs/board.html</a></p>
<p>They should have pushed Russ Nelson all the way out, rather than allow him to remain after his &#8216;gaffe&#8217; in Feb 2005.   Especially now that he&#8217;s repeating it.</p>
<p><a href="http://angry-economist.russnelson.com/nigger.html" rel="nofollow">http://angry-economist.russnelson.com/nigger.html</a></p>
<p>(How can anyone remain on a board after repeating this kind of stunt?)</p>
<p>The OSI was responsible for &#8220;license proliferation&#8221; because they let Larry Rosen (a lawyer) run the show.  Larry said that all licenses that &#8216;fit&#8217; the &#8220;Open Source Definition&#8221; had to be allowed, else the OSI would get sued.</p>
<p>the OSD was the work of ESR, who &#8230; unfortunately is not a lawyer, and likely didn&#8217;t forsee the result.  Still, since &#8220;open source&#8221; is a marketing campaign, *designed from the outset* to defeat Free Software, I hope that Mark will take his ideas to an organization other than the OSI.  </p>
<p>Perhaps we need a repalcement for the OSI, alligned with the Creative Commons folk.   Invite Lessig and the EFF and perhaps 2-3 other parties.  Make a new CC-style license for software.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley Clayton</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/67#comment-13201</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creative Commons does offer flexible licensing to suit different needs which is great.  It allows authors to have certain rights reserved like protecting their good name, receiving credit for works and the opportunity for business which is totally necessary for every self respecting adult who needs to pay their bills. It also allows users to have access and freedom, a social movement that I absolutely love.  However the idea or level of freedom is different for everyone.  The word "Ubuntu" to me means giving 100% with no strings attached as far as my heart is concerned with educational materials.  If I were to be an author of books and I found that the "some rights reserved" part of the license got in the way of truely making knowlege free and accessible, I would forfeit them.  If it meant I dont put my name or branding on a product and instead have a no name brand or a concept of " in an unmarked brown paper bag"  then a collaborative project like that would do it for me.  I may not be in the running for the nobel peace prize, but the joy of seeing people empowered, having that moment of learning and delight will be an AWESOME experience!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creative Commons does offer flexible licensing to suit different needs which is great.  It allows authors to have certain rights reserved like protecting their good name, receiving credit for works and the opportunity for business which is totally necessary for every self respecting adult who needs to pay their bills. It also allows users to have access and freedom, a social movement that I absolutely love.  However the idea or level of freedom is different for everyone.  The word &#8220;Ubuntu&#8221; to me means giving 100% with no strings attached as far as my heart is concerned with educational materials.  If I were to be an author of books and I found that the &#8220;some rights reserved&#8221; part of the license got in the way of truely making knowlege free and accessible, I would forfeit them.  If it meant I dont put my name or branding on a product and instead have a no name brand or a concept of &#8221; in an unmarked brown paper bag&#8221;  then a collaborative project like that would do it for me.  I may not be in the running for the nobel peace prize, but the joy of seeing people empowered, having that moment of learning and delight will be an AWESOME experience!</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/67#comment-13188</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 06:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Mark.  We have a license selector wizard on the new website under development (Drupal-based).

The license proliferation commiteee's report iis at http://opensource.org/lpc/
The report's FAQ (including a linked list of licenses) is at http://opensource.org/lpc/faq.php

Re your "driver of fragmentation", what do you think we should do when somebody comes to us with a license that complies with the Open Source Definition?  I think we have to approve the license and list it on opensource.org.  The alternative is to have people running around saying "Our license is Open Source and complies with the OSD even though OSI doesn't approve or list it."  If people do that, then we have given up our role as arbiter of what is Open Source and what is not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Mark.  We have a license selector wizard on the new website under development (Drupal-based).</p>
<p>The license proliferation commiteee&#8217;s report iis at <a href="http://opensource.org/lpc/" rel="nofollow">http://opensource.org/lpc/</a><br />
The report&#8217;s FAQ (including a linked list of licenses) is at <a href="http://opensource.org/lpc/faq.php" rel="nofollow">http://opensource.org/lpc/faq.php</a></p>
<p>Re your &#8220;driver of fragmentation&#8221;, what do you think we should do when somebody comes to us with a license that complies with the Open Source Definition?  I think we have to approve the license and list it on opensource.org.  The alternative is to have people running around saying &#8220;Our license is Open Source and complies with the OSD even though OSI doesn&#8217;t approve or list it.&#8221;  If people do that, then we have given up our role as arbiter of what is Open Source and what is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Danese Cooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danese Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 04:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking on behalf of OSI, a few comments.

1. We also have a License Wizard project, which was announced at OSCON and is being developed by Dr. Sameer Verma of San Francisco State University (who was one of the first professors to introduce a full curriculum on Free and Open Source Software).  Next draft of the software is scheduled to be posted in December 2006.  Dr. Verma is also running a project on SourceForge to host the source code behind the wizard engine, which will be useful for any branched decision-making tree.  You can contact Dr. Verma at sverma@sfsu.edu

2. Our website is indeed a "mess".  Even we think so.  Its also hard-coded as heck, and very difficult to maintain.  We've been working for a couple of months on a migration of content to a new, better organized Drupal-driven site, which we intend to unveil in late November 2006.

3. Recommendations in re License Proliferation have been published to the License Proliferation Team (and are informing Dr. Verma's License Wizard as well).  They are scheduled for Board consideration as soon as the committee votes to send them to the Board.  A lot of people worked a long time on the recommendations, and one of the side benefits is that as a result of that work there have been several "retirements" of corporate vanity licenses which helps to reduce the number of licenses to consider.  We've also seen a marked drop in the number of new licenses.  People seem to be getting the idea that writing new licenses is generally not a good idea.  Another part of the OSI's work on License Proliferation has been participation in an attempt to craft a "common license framework" between Sun, Apple and Mozilla, all of which use an MPL-style license.  In short, there's a lot going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking on behalf of OSI, a few comments.</p>
<p>1. We also have a License Wizard project, which was announced at OSCON and is being developed by Dr. Sameer Verma of San Francisco State University (who was one of the first professors to introduce a full curriculum on Free and Open Source Software).  Next draft of the software is scheduled to be posted in December 2006.  Dr. Verma is also running a project on SourceForge to host the source code behind the wizard engine, which will be useful for any branched decision-making tree.  You can contact Dr. Verma at <a href="mailto:sverma@sfsu.edu">sverma@sfsu.edu</a></p>
<p>2. Our website is indeed a &#8220;mess&#8221;.  Even we think so.  Its also hard-coded as heck, and very difficult to maintain.  We&#8217;ve been working for a couple of months on a migration of content to a new, better organized Drupal-driven site, which we intend to unveil in late November 2006.</p>
<p>3. Recommendations in re License Proliferation have been published to the License Proliferation Team (and are informing Dr. Verma&#8217;s License Wizard as well).  They are scheduled for Board consideration as soon as the committee votes to send them to the Board.  A lot of people worked a long time on the recommendations, and one of the side benefits is that as a result of that work there have been several &#8220;retirements&#8221; of corporate vanity licenses which helps to reduce the number of licenses to consider.  We&#8217;ve also seen a marked drop in the number of new licenses.  People seem to be getting the idea that writing new licenses is generally not a good idea.  Another part of the OSI&#8217;s work on License Proliferation has been participation in an attempt to craft a &#8220;common license framework&#8221; between Sun, Apple and Mozilla, all of which use an MPL-style license.  In short, there&#8217;s a lot going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark parla di licenze, e stupisce come al solito &#171; Ubuntista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark parla di licenze, e stupisce come al solito &#171; Ubuntista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Leggo un nuovo post nel blog di Mark Shuttleworth, e come al solito mi stupisco di quanto questo essere umano sia capace di centrare il punto, di dire cose che, almeno a me, appaiono perfettamente giuste. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is OSI? I can't find it on http://www.opensource.org/.
And where is their list of "recommended" licenses?
Basically the website is a mess measured against the importance it should have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is OSI? I can&#8217;t find it on <a href="http://www.opensource.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.opensource.org/</a>.<br />
And where is their list of &#8220;recommended&#8221; licenses?<br />
Basically the website is a mess measured against the importance it should have.</p>
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