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		<title>By: The promising OpenMediaVault failed its debut as free software project</title>
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		<dc:creator>The promising OpenMediaVault failed its debut as free software project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ubeckoMINT</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/687/comment-page-3#comment-366229</link>
		<dc:creator>ubeckoMINT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me LEADERSHIP is a key word in all this, every project should have an owner and for practical reasons it&#039;s desirable that he holds the copyright too, so he can FREELY define the evolution of he&#039;s design and coordination effort. 

I belive that as long as the code is open sourced and it can be FREELY forked that doesn&#039;t represent a menace to the values of open source community. Where does the contributions go? to some project you like or to the open source community? If the cool project happens to be open sourced you are doing both!!

Why deprive the project leader of the entire capacity to decide what&#039;s the next best thing to do? If you can always fork the project, what harm can be done to contributors? During the good terms all sides get beneficied from it!!

Maybe after years of being supported by a loyal base the leader begin looking for his own malicious interest. Suppose he sells the coyright of a VERY contribuited code base, will the new owner have unfair competitive advantage from the comunity? the code givers loose something?

This only keeps the leadership of the project CLEARLY defined. If you don&#039;t like Gnome 3 and you want to do something more revolutionary and OSX-ky like Unity, why could community be able hold you down? Isn&#039;t Open SuSe extremly 7-ish?

Think that if Unity dooms Ubuntu, Canonical can always sell the project. I belive thats the motivation behind Mark&#039;s move. That&#039;s fair, cause there still be the good old Linux Mint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me LEADERSHIP is a key word in all this, every project should have an owner and for practical reasons it&#8217;s desirable that he holds the copyright too, so he can FREELY define the evolution of he&#8217;s design and coordination effort. </p>
<p>I belive that as long as the code is open sourced and it can be FREELY forked that doesn&#8217;t represent a menace to the values of open source community. Where does the contributions go? to some project you like or to the open source community? If the cool project happens to be open sourced you are doing both!!</p>
<p>Why deprive the project leader of the entire capacity to decide what&#8217;s the next best thing to do? If you can always fork the project, what harm can be done to contributors? During the good terms all sides get beneficied from it!!</p>
<p>Maybe after years of being supported by a loyal base the leader begin looking for his own malicious interest. Suppose he sells the coyright of a VERY contribuited code base, will the new owner have unfair competitive advantage from the comunity? the code givers loose something?</p>
<p>This only keeps the leadership of the project CLEARLY defined. If you don&#8217;t like Gnome 3 and you want to do something more revolutionary and OSX-ky like Unity, why could community be able hold you down? Isn&#8217;t Open SuSe extremly 7-ish?</p>
<p>Think that if Unity dooms Ubuntu, Canonical can always sell the project. I belive thats the motivation behind Mark&#8217;s move. That&#8217;s fair, cause there still be the good old Linux Mint.</p>
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		<title>By: My.Sirimangalo &#124; Blog &#124; To Share or Not to Share</title>
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		<dc:creator>My.Sirimangalo &#124; Blog &#124; To Share or Not to Share</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Emiliano</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/687/comment-page-3#comment-363270</link>
		<dc:creator>Emiliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all!!! What about this? Many people loves gnome3...but Linux&#039;s father doesn&#039;t agree at all :)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Drops-Gnome-3-for-Xfce-Calls-It-Crazy-215074.shtml

Emiliano</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all!!! What about this? Many people loves gnome3&#8230;but Linux&#8217;s father doesn&#8217;t agree at all <img src='http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Drops-Gnome-3-for-Xfce-Calls-It-Crazy-215074.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Drops-Gnome-3-for-Xfce-Calls-It-Crazy-215074.shtml</a></p>
<p>Emiliano</p>
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		<title>By: Kurdistan</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/687/comment-page-2#comment-363234</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurdistan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop releasing a new release every 6 month. The release cycle is a total mess. I hope you, Mark, will understand it one day. If you really want 200 million users of Ubuntu in 4 years. One of the reason I changed distro from Ubuntu to another Linux distro was because of the release cycle madness. Not even Apple or Microsoft release new version so frequent. Keep up with quality and stability not like now, quantity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop releasing a new release every 6 month. The release cycle is a total mess. I hope you, Mark, will understand it one day. If you really want 200 million users of Ubuntu in 4 years. One of the reason I changed distro from Ubuntu to another Linux distro was because of the release cycle madness. Not even Apple or Microsoft release new version so frequent. Keep up with quality and stability not like now, quantity.</p>
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		<title>By: NoahY</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/687/comment-page-2#comment-363075</link>
		<dc:creator>NoahY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s the magical thing about creation and ownership. It creates the possibility for generosity. You can’t really give something you don’t own, but if you do, you’ve made a genuine contribution.&quot;

It all makes perfect sense, what&#039;s these people&#039;s problem?  Mark and Ubuntu have given an incredible amount to the open source community, and now they&#039;re saying if (and only if) you want to be a part of what they do, do it from your heart, either out of gratitude or belief in what they do.  If you don&#039;t want to be a part, go kick your can somewhere else.  Coming here to whine and complain is pretty childish.

The argument that Ubuntu contributes less code than smaller distros is pretty weak; Ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth, and Canonical have all done great things for Linux, and you know it.  Who does the size of the Ubuntu desktop platform benefit most?  What is this milk they have gotten in return?  I feel like I&#039;ve milked the... whatever... out of Ubuntu, personally, but I am more than happy to give up code I write to the projects I write it for, because:

- I use them
- I believe in them
- I am grateful for what they have done for me
- I want them to continue to do it for me in the future
- I want to help others, and I believe helping such projects will help others

If the direction of such projects change later on, I would shoot myself before I started feeling regrets for code I had contributed.  I&#039;d just move on, as you are free to do.  It certainly would decrease stress levels all around if you did.

Mark, thanks for your vision and insight, and most of all for Ubuntu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s the magical thing about creation and ownership. It creates the possibility for generosity. You can’t really give something you don’t own, but if you do, you’ve made a genuine contribution.&#8221;</p>
<p>It all makes perfect sense, what&#8217;s these people&#8217;s problem?  Mark and Ubuntu have given an incredible amount to the open source community, and now they&#8217;re saying if (and only if) you want to be a part of what they do, do it from your heart, either out of gratitude or belief in what they do.  If you don&#8217;t want to be a part, go kick your can somewhere else.  Coming here to whine and complain is pretty childish.</p>
<p>The argument that Ubuntu contributes less code than smaller distros is pretty weak; Ubuntu, Mark Shuttleworth, and Canonical have all done great things for Linux, and you know it.  Who does the size of the Ubuntu desktop platform benefit most?  What is this milk they have gotten in return?  I feel like I&#8217;ve milked the&#8230; whatever&#8230; out of Ubuntu, personally, but I am more than happy to give up code I write to the projects I write it for, because:</p>
<p>- I use them<br />
- I believe in them<br />
- I am grateful for what they have done for me<br />
- I want them to continue to do it for me in the future<br />
- I want to help others, and I believe helping such projects will help others</p>
<p>If the direction of such projects change later on, I would shoot myself before I started feeling regrets for code I had contributed.  I&#8217;d just move on, as you are free to do.  It certainly would decrease stress levels all around if you did.</p>
<p>Mark, thanks for your vision and insight, and most of all for Ubuntu.</p>
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		<title>By: salemboot</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/687/comment-page-2#comment-362692</link>
		<dc:creator>salemboot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reinvention of one&#039;s self is the problem I&#039;ve noticed in the community-vast of projects.</description>
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		<title>By: Johnsie</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/687/comment-page-2#comment-362615</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>+1 for Ryan Sharps comments. I can&#039;t help but feel that Ubuntu is milking the sh*t out of the larger open source eco-system. Ubuntu is/was the biggest desktop Linux platform and yet you guys are contributing alot less code than other smaller distros. If people really want to help open source then they would be better using a distro other than Ubuntu. I agree with Ryan in saying that Fedora is probably a better option because they contribute more. As for Unity, well  it just makes multitasking alot more irritating (like gnome-shell). Any new user interface should&#039;ve been simply a better looking gnome2 with the same features and better polish. Now that Linux will have no good user interfaces I&#039;m sure people will start going back to Windows. The Windows 7 bottom panel is a million times better than Unity or the Gnome Shell side bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>+1 for Ryan Sharps comments. I can&#8217;t help but feel that Ubuntu is milking the sh*t out of the larger open source eco-system. Ubuntu is/was the biggest desktop Linux platform and yet you guys are contributing alot less code than other smaller distros. If people really want to help open source then they would be better using a distro other than Ubuntu. I agree with Ryan in saying that Fedora is probably a better option because they contribute more. As for Unity, well  it just makes multitasking alot more irritating (like gnome-shell). Any new user interface should&#8217;ve been simply a better looking gnome2 with the same features and better polish. Now that Linux will have no good user interfaces I&#8217;m sure people will start going back to Windows. The Windows 7 bottom panel is a million times better than Unity or the Gnome Shell side bar.</p>
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		<title>By: S04E12 &#8211; More Tea Vicar &#8211; MP3 HIGH &#124; Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team</title>
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		<dc:creator>S04E12 &#8211; More Tea Vicar &#8211; MP3 HIGH &#124; Ubuntu Podcast from the UK LoCo team</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 22:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shuttleworth: All your rights are belong to us &#171; Larry the Free Software Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/687/comment-page-2#comment-362423</link>
		<dc:creator>Shuttleworth: All your rights are belong to us &#171; Larry the Free Software Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 17:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] take my word for it. Go ahead and read Mark&#8217;s blog for yourself. Make sure you read all of it, and you might want to have a cup of coffee before you [...]</description>
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