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	<title>Comments on: Inclusive membership</title>
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	<description>Planetary perspectives</description>
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		<title>By: ScottK</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-368223</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 02:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this still begs the question a bit about what is a contribution to Ubuntu.  If one is working on upstream code whether it&#039;s Unity, KDE, Gnome, LXDE, etc, does it count towards that significant and sustained contribution?  The mention of &#039;someone that uses Ubuntu&#039; in the requirements piece makes me wonder if Debian work by Debian developers who don&#039;t run Ubuntu, but look at Ubuntu bugs and try to deal with them in their Debian work (which will naturally flow into Ubuntu) count?

I didn&#039;t comment earlier because I thought this was going to be discussed at the next CC meeting.  I didn&#039;t realize this was meant to be the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this still begs the question a bit about what is a contribution to Ubuntu.  If one is working on upstream code whether it&#8217;s Unity, KDE, Gnome, LXDE, etc, does it count towards that significant and sustained contribution?  The mention of &#8216;someone that uses Ubuntu&#8217; in the requirements piece makes me wonder if Debian work by Debian developers who don&#8217;t run Ubuntu, but look at Ubuntu bugs and try to deal with them in their Debian work (which will naturally flow into Ubuntu) count?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t comment earlier because I thought this was going to be discussed at the next CC meeting.  I didn&#8217;t realize this was meant to be the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: srinivas</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-364297</link>
		<dc:creator>srinivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chauncellor hmmmm........, good sense of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chauncellor hmmmm&#8230;&#8230;.., good sense of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Chauncellor</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-363983</link>
		<dc:creator>Chauncellor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@srinivas v: I can honestly say that I have no idea what you&#039;re trying to splutter out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@srinivas v: I can honestly say that I have no idea what you&#8217;re trying to splutter out.</p>
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		<title>By: srinivas v</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-363399</link>
		<dc:creator>srinivas v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Mark,

I believe that your meditation cycle would be &quot;CLA, Unity, Investement, Time, ROI&quot; in an infinite loop until u come to peace/balance with yourself. Then U just sit down and write a blog entry. You are now bothered how to find the best man in the list of &quot;contributors&quot;. I see that u are finding difficulties in searching for the topper. Just remember, a class has just one topper and all &quot;others&quot; in the second. If you concentrate on the topper u are going to to lose all the &quot;others&quot;. In summary, I believe, Mark, that u may not make as much money from ubuntu GNU/Linux as u did with your first project, Unless you come out with some magical situation where the entire freedom software community/users are with you. Otherwise it would be better to have a go at corporate customers wherein, the entire support responsibility falls on canonical(which might be a bit hard for you considering your present strength). That was free advice and what I thought. I (hope) may not be flamed. Just with unity, nothings changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Mark,</p>
<p>I believe that your meditation cycle would be &#8220;CLA, Unity, Investement, Time, ROI&#8221; in an infinite loop until u come to peace/balance with yourself. Then U just sit down and write a blog entry. You are now bothered how to find the best man in the list of &#8220;contributors&#8221;. I see that u are finding difficulties in searching for the topper. Just remember, a class has just one topper and all &#8220;others&#8221; in the second. If you concentrate on the topper u are going to to lose all the &#8220;others&#8221;. In summary, I believe, Mark, that u may not make as much money from ubuntu GNU/Linux as u did with your first project, Unless you come out with some magical situation where the entire freedom software community/users are with you. Otherwise it would be better to have a go at corporate customers wherein, the entire support responsibility falls on canonical(which might be a bit hard for you considering your present strength). That was free advice and what I thought. I (hope) may not be flamed. Just with unity, nothings changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kerensa</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-363385</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kerensa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 10:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think broadening the scope of whats considered a contribution to Ubuntu would be a wise move. 

There are so many people who have contributed to Ubuntu indirectly like through non-profits that give away computers with Ubuntu yet provide direct support (FreeGeek) and those people cannot count on that being an accepted contribution.

I guess the question is if the standard of contributing is broadened will it create a burden for reviewing applications?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think broadening the scope of whats considered a contribution to Ubuntu would be a wise move. </p>
<p>There are so many people who have contributed to Ubuntu indirectly like through non-profits that give away computers with Ubuntu yet provide direct support (FreeGeek) and those people cannot count on that being an accepted contribution.</p>
<p>I guess the question is if the standard of contributing is broadened will it create a burden for reviewing applications?</p>
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		<title>By: Links 11/8/2011: Desktop Summit, More Linux Tablets &#124; Techrights</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-363373</link>
		<dc:creator>Links 11/8/2011: Desktop Summit, More Linux Tablets &#124; Techrights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Inclusive membership We have a strong preference for inclusivity in the way we structure the Ubuntu community. We recognise a very diverse range of contributions, and we go to some lengths to recognise leaders in many areas so that we can delegate the evaluation process to those who know best. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Inclusive membership We have a strong preference for inclusivity in the way we structure the Ubuntu community. We recognise a very diverse range of contributions, and we go to some lengths to recognise leaders in many areas so that we can delegate the evaluation process to those who know best. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting Linux News for the Day – August 11, 2011 &#171; Linux Rants</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-363366</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting Linux News for the Day – August 11, 2011 &#171; Linux Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Inclusive membership [...]</description>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-363356</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 05:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jonathan

Yes, I think you&#039;ve summarised it neatly there.

It&#039;s always been the case that we look for &quot;substantial and sustained&quot; contributions in as diverse a range of forms as possible. I think we just need to be open to recognising that people might well express their contribution by doing some lifting upstream or downstream.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonathan</p>
<p>Yes, I think you&#8217;ve summarised it neatly there.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always been the case that we look for &#8220;substantial and sustained&#8221; contributions in as diverse a range of forms as possible. I think we just need to be open to recognising that people might well express their contribution by doing some lifting upstream or downstream.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-363355</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 05:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Iain

Good point, if the RMB&#039;s are comfortable handling such applications right away that&#039;s probably the best way to do it. As Jonathan says, we can take them one at a time and formulate a set of precedents and policies once patterns emerge.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Iain</p>
<p>Good point, if the RMB&#8217;s are comfortable handling such applications right away that&#8217;s probably the best way to do it. As Jonathan says, we can take them one at a time and formulate a set of precedents and policies once patterns emerge.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/713/comment-page-1#comment-363353</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 05:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Omer :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Omer <img src='http://www.markshuttleworth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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