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		<title>By: enedene</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/738/comment-page-1#comment-368006</link>
		<dc:creator>enedene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find governments to be the biggest problem. They are spending tax payers money inefficiency buying expensive licenses from Microsoft and not looking at alternative solutions.
Not all the government jobs, but most of them need just a decent word processor, ability to make a simple table, read/send email, to connect Internet and that&#039;s it. Linux is a perfect OS for such tasks. But still my government not only pays for every new version of windows, but also the tutorials for all the employees for every new version of windows and office.
In any case if the trend is changing and companies/governments are looking on Linux desktop more seriously, that is great news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find governments to be the biggest problem. They are spending tax payers money inefficiency buying expensive licenses from Microsoft and not looking at alternative solutions.<br />
Not all the government jobs, but most of them need just a decent word processor, ability to make a simple table, read/send email, to connect Internet and that&#8217;s it. Linux is a perfect OS for such tasks. But still my government not only pays for every new version of windows, but also the tutorials for all the employees for every new version of windows and office.<br />
In any case if the trend is changing and companies/governments are looking on Linux desktop more seriously, that is great news.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragos</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/738/comment-page-1#comment-367257</link>
		<dc:creator>Dragos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 06:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,

Ubuntu needs a Directory Server. This is an important feature for enterprises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,</p>
<p>Ubuntu needs a Directory Server. This is an important feature for enterprises.</p>
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		<title>By: La visió esbiaixada de Shuttleworth &#171; Només 5 línies</title>
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		<dc:creator>La visió esbiaixada de Shuttleworth &#171; Només 5 línies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] i Linux, però comença a tenir una visió molt esbiaixada de com fer que Linux s&#8217;imposi. En aquest article parla de l&#8217;escriptori corporatiu, però en aquest altre mostra que tots els seus esforços no [...]</description>
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		<title>By: salemboot</title>
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		<dc:creator>salemboot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 04:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Admirable, though corporate needs legacy support.  

Consider iron-cladding older distributions for longer time periods.  

Version 8.04 support should be extended until 2014.  

Two key points:

1.  Amateurs, Hobbiest&#039; and students will fantasize about the latest distribution
2.  Professionals, Artisans and craftsman retain the same old tools; discipline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Admirable, though corporate needs legacy support.  </p>
<p>Consider iron-cladding older distributions for longer time periods.  </p>
<p>Version 8.04 support should be extended until 2014.  </p>
<p>Two key points:</p>
<p>1.  Amateurs, Hobbiest&#8217; and students will fantasize about the latest distribution<br />
2.  Professionals, Artisans and craftsman retain the same old tools; discipline</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/738/comment-page-1#comment-365129</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom Deckert

&#039;explicit, concrete examples of actual corporations actually using Linux on the Corporate Desktop&#039;:
French parliament since 2007 1000+ ubuntu desktops</description>
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<p>&#8216;explicit, concrete examples of actual corporations actually using Linux on the Corporate Desktop&#8217;:<br />
French parliament since 2007 1000+ ubuntu desktops</p>
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		<title>By: yman</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/738/comment-page-1#comment-364622</link>
		<dc:creator>yman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been saying for a while something similar to Gary Martin: Ubuntu has a section that lists certified devices, component, and software, but there&#039;s no easy way to purchase these products. I suggest that there be a dedicated site for certified products, say store.ubuntu.com, where the manufacturers can sell their wares. The site would offer all the same customization options that you&#039;d get at the manufacturer&#039;s site (except those that aren&#039;t certified, of course). Canonical itself wouldn&#039;t sell anything, but simply forward the orders to the manufacturer, taking a small fee for each purchase. The store would list any type of product that is certified for Ubuntu, both hardware and software. However, if the software is in the USC then maybe Canonical should be the one to sell it. The Ubuntu Certified section will then host links to the product&#039;s page in the store.

Perhaps the store should also host compatible products and options that haven&#039;t been certified. Those could be placed less prominently, and perhaps with a warning saying that they should be compatible, but have not undergone Canonical&#039;s thorough tests and that they are more likely to develop problems in the future than certified products.

As far as placing stuff in the USC, putting physical products in a software store may be a little confusing, not to mention that they will be using different infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been saying for a while something similar to Gary Martin: Ubuntu has a section that lists certified devices, component, and software, but there&#8217;s no easy way to purchase these products. I suggest that there be a dedicated site for certified products, say store.ubuntu.com, where the manufacturers can sell their wares. The site would offer all the same customization options that you&#8217;d get at the manufacturer&#8217;s site (except those that aren&#8217;t certified, of course). Canonical itself wouldn&#8217;t sell anything, but simply forward the orders to the manufacturer, taking a small fee for each purchase. The store would list any type of product that is certified for Ubuntu, both hardware and software. However, if the software is in the USC then maybe Canonical should be the one to sell it. The Ubuntu Certified section will then host links to the product&#8217;s page in the store.</p>
<p>Perhaps the store should also host compatible products and options that haven&#8217;t been certified. Those could be placed less prominently, and perhaps with a warning saying that they should be compatible, but have not undergone Canonical&#8217;s thorough tests and that they are more likely to develop problems in the future than certified products.</p>
<p>As far as placing stuff in the USC, putting physical products in a software store may be a little confusing, not to mention that they will be using different infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: jdaines</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdaines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would be awesome if the bank that was switching to Ubuntu would also hand out Ubuntu cd to make online banking safer for their customers and gave tutorials on how to install and dual boot into ubuntu when doing online banking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be awesome if the bank that was switching to Ubuntu would also hand out Ubuntu cd to make online banking safer for their customers and gave tutorials on how to install and dual boot into ubuntu when doing online banking.</p>
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		<title>By: srinivas</title>
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		<dc:creator>srinivas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark  I will take this blog as a response to my comment on your previous blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark  I will take this blog as a response to my comment on your previous blog.</p>
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		<title>By: MattiK</title>
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		<dc:creator>MattiK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark:

&quot;Your point about change being detrimental to large deployments is certainly valid.&quot;

It is also true for small deployments, but small deployments are good for testing. I do couple of installations 11.04 to prepare for future support. I HAVE to know user problems when they are transitioning from different UI. I&#039;ve already done observations from users.

&quot;That’s one of the reasons we took the plunge on several major changes in 11.04 – it gives us two whole cycles to refine them and get them right for 12.04 LTS.&quot;

It is probably good idea to label those six month cycle releases something like &quot;bleeding edge&quot;, &quot;experimental&quot;, &quot;developer release&quot; or &quot;preview&quot;. I&#039;m worried about Ubuntu&#039;s reputation because those live wildly and YES, it causes problems to those have not been told that this is very bleeding edge technology. IT professionals understands Ubuntu releases but not the rest of the world. This is the reason why Fedora is different brand than Red Hat Enterprise and why there is &quot;Solaris Express&quot; or &quot;openSuse&quot;. I understand that Ubuntu project needs feedback from new releases but people are mixing LTS and sixmonth cycles and this is very harmful.

&quot;We are pretty focused on scientific evidence-based design, which includes hard comparisons of real experiences by real users with common task goals.&quot;

My own experience from Unity:

* Users can&#039;t found any help button when they use Unity first time.

* I&#039;m poweruser and four desktops is not enough. I didn&#039;t figure out yet how to get more.

* Focusing on search is great leap forward, but I feel that &quot;good old&quot; hierarchy should be found fast (=directly) too like before.. Apps, home folder and settings. Hierarchies are difficult learn but they are excellent to obtain an overall picture from system. 

* Mac OS like shared menubar is great for small screen but it sucks big time on workstation with FullHD screen (It sucks Macs too on larger screens). Too long distances to move mouse, and move eyes. There should be at least switch and good default guessing based on screen resolution to use Gnome/Windows etc. like menu for big screen. Another drawback is that the menu changes on screen and unnecessary changes/animations are distraction.

Possible biggest drawback is that the open source ecosystem have many kind of user interfaces, and even own toolkits in software. This only adds to the fragmentation and this decreases usability a lot. It is practically impossible to change all software to works with shared menu, especially not all software even care about menu and menus are anyway inconvenient with touchscreen. Windows like ribbons are better. Generally speaking, it is drawback from Gnome 2.

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So.. I REALLY like to see this as default: Keep the &quot;dock&quot; and search from Ubuntu logo button, change shared menu back to previous design where applications have own menus, and change top panel to traditional gnome panel (like) where you can put virtual desktops, menus hierarchies etc. Probably it&#039;s easiest to fork old gnome panel and rip unnecessary and duplicate features of.

This gives possibility to clean up those &quot;special buttons&quot; from the dock to give room to apps. In future, software center may be hide to behind Ubuntu logo button search, and maybe later to use shared design or something to them. These are however bigger changes.

And yes, I do perfectly understand that there is strong focus to touchscreen and usability with smaller screens in Unity. These changes would not harm much. However, abandonment of a shared menu will use more screen space on some applications, but it is impossible to get everything. It&#039;s best to forgot those 6&quot; screens for now and focus to get good UI for rest (10-60&quot;). Maybe there can be add some switch to near similar UI like I describe which is optimized for &lt;=11&quot;, where all apps are fullscreen with shared menu, and virtual desktops and top panel menus are removed from UI to get more room to top panel shared menu.

&quot;The testing is relatively easy to do, take 10 people in two groups of 5, make a list of things they need to get done, and just observe how they do over an afternoon. Don’t take my word for it, try it yourself, and we’d welcome the feedback on where people get stuck and how best to smooth those blockages.&quot;

I know. I&#039;ve also read thousands of pages of user interface books, US DoD UI guidelines and similar material. For usability testing, small group of people, even three users, can do a lot. It is more important to get good data out than lot of testers. It is good to have different personalities (DISC assesment) for testing, and of course user interface specialists to say what is and why and how wrong if they notice something (and interpret test results). One cheap trick to get data is set computer to record screenshot at one second intervals and replay that as video. Eye-tracking stuff requires more investment.

Of course I have not give much attention to Unity usability problems because I&#039;m starting company and my time is limited now. However, I&#039;m interested to know more what is behind current Unity design decisions. I&#039;m not all-knowing oracle how things should be so it is very possible that I&#039;m totally wrong about this shared menu and &quot;hidden&quot; hierarchy.

Matti</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark:</p>
<p>&#8220;Your point about change being detrimental to large deployments is certainly valid.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is also true for small deployments, but small deployments are good for testing. I do couple of installations 11.04 to prepare for future support. I HAVE to know user problems when they are transitioning from different UI. I&#8217;ve already done observations from users.</p>
<p>&#8220;That’s one of the reasons we took the plunge on several major changes in 11.04 – it gives us two whole cycles to refine them and get them right for 12.04 LTS.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is probably good idea to label those six month cycle releases something like &#8220;bleeding edge&#8221;, &#8220;experimental&#8221;, &#8220;developer release&#8221; or &#8220;preview&#8221;. I&#8217;m worried about Ubuntu&#8217;s reputation because those live wildly and YES, it causes problems to those have not been told that this is very bleeding edge technology. IT professionals understands Ubuntu releases but not the rest of the world. This is the reason why Fedora is different brand than Red Hat Enterprise and why there is &#8220;Solaris Express&#8221; or &#8220;openSuse&#8221;. I understand that Ubuntu project needs feedback from new releases but people are mixing LTS and sixmonth cycles and this is very harmful.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are pretty focused on scientific evidence-based design, which includes hard comparisons of real experiences by real users with common task goals.&#8221;</p>
<p>My own experience from Unity:</p>
<p>* Users can&#8217;t found any help button when they use Unity first time.</p>
<p>* I&#8217;m poweruser and four desktops is not enough. I didn&#8217;t figure out yet how to get more.</p>
<p>* Focusing on search is great leap forward, but I feel that &#8220;good old&#8221; hierarchy should be found fast (=directly) too like before.. Apps, home folder and settings. Hierarchies are difficult learn but they are excellent to obtain an overall picture from system. </p>
<p>* Mac OS like shared menubar is great for small screen but it sucks big time on workstation with FullHD screen (It sucks Macs too on larger screens). Too long distances to move mouse, and move eyes. There should be at least switch and good default guessing based on screen resolution to use Gnome/Windows etc. like menu for big screen. Another drawback is that the menu changes on screen and unnecessary changes/animations are distraction.</p>
<p>Possible biggest drawback is that the open source ecosystem have many kind of user interfaces, and even own toolkits in software. This only adds to the fragmentation and this decreases usability a lot. It is practically impossible to change all software to works with shared menu, especially not all software even care about menu and menus are anyway inconvenient with touchscreen. Windows like ribbons are better. Generally speaking, it is drawback from Gnome 2.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>So.. I REALLY like to see this as default: Keep the &#8220;dock&#8221; and search from Ubuntu logo button, change shared menu back to previous design where applications have own menus, and change top panel to traditional gnome panel (like) where you can put virtual desktops, menus hierarchies etc. Probably it&#8217;s easiest to fork old gnome panel and rip unnecessary and duplicate features of.</p>
<p>This gives possibility to clean up those &#8220;special buttons&#8221; from the dock to give room to apps. In future, software center may be hide to behind Ubuntu logo button search, and maybe later to use shared design or something to them. These are however bigger changes.</p>
<p>And yes, I do perfectly understand that there is strong focus to touchscreen and usability with smaller screens in Unity. These changes would not harm much. However, abandonment of a shared menu will use more screen space on some applications, but it is impossible to get everything. It&#8217;s best to forgot those 6&#8243; screens for now and focus to get good UI for rest (10-60&#8243;). Maybe there can be add some switch to near similar UI like I describe which is optimized for &lt;=11&quot;, where all apps are fullscreen with shared menu, and virtual desktops and top panel menus are removed from UI to get more room to top panel shared menu.</p>
<p>&quot;The testing is relatively easy to do, take 10 people in two groups of 5, make a list of things they need to get done, and just observe how they do over an afternoon. Don’t take my word for it, try it yourself, and we’d welcome the feedback on where people get stuck and how best to smooth those blockages.&quot;</p>
<p>I know. I&#039;ve also read thousands of pages of user interface books, US DoD UI guidelines and similar material. For usability testing, small group of people, even three users, can do a lot. It is more important to get good data out than lot of testers. It is good to have different personalities (DISC assesment) for testing, and of course user interface specialists to say what is and why and how wrong if they notice something (and interpret test results). One cheap trick to get data is set computer to record screenshot at one second intervals and replay that as video. Eye-tracking stuff requires more investment.</p>
<p>Of course I have not give much attention to Unity usability problems because I&#039;m starting company and my time is limited now. However, I&#039;m interested to know more what is behind current Unity design decisions. I&#039;m not all-knowing oracle how things should be so it is very possible that I&#039;m totally wrong about this shared menu and &quot;hidden&quot; hierarchy.</p>
<p>Matti</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gary

Interesting suggestion, thanks!</description>
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<p>Interesting suggestion, thanks!</p>
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