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		<title>By: Mighty Linuxz &#187; Shuttleworth: Open Source projects need better collaboration</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-192608</link>
		<dc:creator>Mighty Linuxz &#187; Shuttleworth: Open Source projects need better collaboration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 13:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Juan Carlos Torres: Like a river flows: Upstream and Downstream // The Linux Index</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-151305</link>
		<dc:creator>Juan Carlos Torres: Like a river flows: Upstream and Downstream // The Linux Index</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would have to subscribe to each and every bug tracker. Same with downstream. Perhaps this is what Mark Shuttleworth has been trying to address through Launchpad (but that in itself has some subtle issues). Perhaps we don&#8217;t need a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would have to subscribe to each and every bug tracker. Same with downstream. Perhaps this is what Mark Shuttleworth has been trying to address through Launchpad (but that in itself has some subtle issues). Perhaps we don&#8217;t need a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jucato&#8217;s Data Core &#187; Archives &#187; Like a river flows: Upstream and Downstream</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-151293</link>
		<dc:creator>Jucato&#8217;s Data Core &#187; Archives &#187; Like a river flows: Upstream and Downstream</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] would have to subscribe to each and every bug tracker. Same with downstream. Perhaps this is what Mark Shuttleworth has been trying to address through Launchpad (but that in itself has some subtle issues). Perhaps we don&#8217;t need a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] would have to subscribe to each and every bug tracker. Same with downstream. Perhaps this is what Mark Shuttleworth has been trying to address through Launchpad (but that in itself has some subtle issues). Perhaps we don&#8217;t need a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CSL: Cheli Software Libre &#187; Interesante reflexión de Mark Shuttleworth sobre la integración de proyectos</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-60033</link>
		<dc:creator>CSL: Cheli Software Libre &#187; Interesante reflexión de Mark Shuttleworth sobre la integración de proyectos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark hace una reflexión que me ha parecido muy interesante sobre la integración que sería deseable entre proyectos de software libre. La ventaja que existe en el mundo del software libre es que desarrolladores de todas partes del planeta, de una forma aparentemente caótica desarrollan piezas de software fantásticas. Un desarrollo puede depender de otro y no pasa nada porque de ese desarrollo se espera según el plan de ruta del proyecto que tenga implementadas ciertas cosas y al final todo se integra más o menos sin problemas. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mark hace una reflexión que me ha parecido muy interesante sobre la integración que sería deseable entre proyectos de software libre. La ventaja que existe en el mundo del software libre es que desarrolladores de todas partes del planeta, de una forma aparentemente caótica desarrollan piezas de software fantásticas. Un desarrollo puede depender de otro y no pasa nada porque de ese desarrollo se espera según el plan de ruta del proyecto que tenga implementadas ciertas cosas y al final todo se integra más o menos sin problemas. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sb</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-31908</link>
		<dc:creator>sb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 02:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, let&#039;s pretend that Trolltech wrote an awesome bug tracker, far better than the mess that LaunchPad is turning into.  Let&#039;s say further that they were actively trying to get other projects to use it through blog posts, etc.  Maybe they have hinted about the possibility of one day releasing the source but, for now, all your info will have to be stored on bugz.trolltech.com.

Would you move all Canonical&#039;s bug data into such a system?

I can guess: NOT IN A MILLION YEARS.  It&#039;s not even worth talking about.  We were shown by BitKeeper what can happen with this sort of philanthropy.  Why would anybody risk this when they can just run their own copy of bugzilla?

In summary, I find this blog posting confusing.  I&#039;m sure that you&#039;re aware that no serious external project will ever move to a Canonical-hosted LaunchPad.  The data is just too precious.  So, are you saying that you expect other projects to move to LaunchPad despite this?  Or are you now hinting that maybe LaunchPad will be open-sourced after all?  A little clarification would be very helpful.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, let&#8217;s pretend that Trolltech wrote an awesome bug tracker, far better than the mess that LaunchPad is turning into.  Let&#8217;s say further that they were actively trying to get other projects to use it through blog posts, etc.  Maybe they have hinted about the possibility of one day releasing the source but, for now, all your info will have to be stored on bugz.trolltech.com.</p>
<p>Would you move all Canonical&#8217;s bug data into such a system?</p>
<p>I can guess: NOT IN A MILLION YEARS.  It&#8217;s not even worth talking about.  We were shown by BitKeeper what can happen with this sort of philanthropy.  Why would anybody risk this when they can just run their own copy of bugzilla?</p>
<p>In summary, I find this blog posting confusing.  I&#8217;m sure that you&#8217;re aware that no serious external project will ever move to a Canonical-hosted LaunchPad.  The data is just too precious.  So, are you saying that you expect other projects to move to LaunchPad despite this?  Or are you now hinting that maybe LaunchPad will be open-sourced after all?  A little clarification would be very helpful.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Henri Bergius</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-26836</link>
		<dc:creator>Henri Bergius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is good discussion about the merits of open sourcing Launchpad in:
http://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2007/01/05/0#comments

In my opinion, Launchpad being free is a requirement before major projects like GNOME will consider switching to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is good discussion about the merits of open sourcing Launchpad in:<br />
<a href="http://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2007/01/05/0#comments" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.gnome.org/view/uraeus/2007/01/05/0#comments</a></p>
<p>In my opinion, Launchpad being free is a requirement before major projects like GNOME will consider switching to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Apt</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-26762</link>
		<dc:creator>Apt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are building Ubuntu packages that Ubuntu is not putting in apt.sources.

Instead Ubuntu maintains horribly outdated packages of its own.  Example tor, &quot;Do not use the packages in ubuntu&#039;s universe. They are not maintained and most likely old and therefore miss out on stability and possibly security fixes.&quot;
http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian

And TrueCrypt is just a no-brainer.  They offer Ubuntu builds.
http://www.truecrypt.org

All you need is an apt.sources line and the public gpg keys on Ubuntu CD.  (You ask me, tor should be included directly, small and useful for &quot;firewalled&quot; nations.  As a public service (human rights related) it would be nice of Ubuntu to run some tor exit nodes, sponsor EFF work, etc.)

And of course, Ubuntu should come equipped with apt.sources and gpg lines to download WINE, that is an obvious one.  Right now people have to jump hoops as with the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are building Ubuntu packages that Ubuntu is not putting in apt.sources.</p>
<p>Instead Ubuntu maintains horribly outdated packages of its own.  Example tor, &#8220;Do not use the packages in ubuntu&#8217;s universe. They are not maintained and most likely old and therefore miss out on stability and possibly security fixes.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian" rel="nofollow">http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian</a></p>
<p>And TrueCrypt is just a no-brainer.  They offer Ubuntu builds.<br />
<a href="http://www.truecrypt.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.truecrypt.org</a></p>
<p>All you need is an apt.sources line and the public gpg keys on Ubuntu CD.  (You ask me, tor should be included directly, small and useful for &#8220;firewalled&#8221; nations.  As a public service (human rights related) it would be nice of Ubuntu to run some tor exit nodes, sponsor EFF work, etc.)</p>
<p>And of course, Ubuntu should come equipped with apt.sources and gpg lines to download WINE, that is an obvious one.  Right now people have to jump hoops as with the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Life according to Corey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open source release coordination</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-26723</link>
		<dc:creator>Life according to Corey &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Open source release coordination</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 01:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This issue comes to mind again as I read a post by Mark Shuttleworth about release coordination across the global OSS community. He is looking at the problem from a different perspective, one where they (Ubuntu) build a distribution that changes with the various new releases of included programs, and in many cases needs to be planned around the release schedules of those projects. It would help his team to be able to plan their project release around the release schedules of the various included projects. It would help my team for all of the major projects to see each other&#8217;s schedules and work to avoid release overlap. (sure, in big business you want to beat your competitors to the shelf, or at the very least release at the same time.. but big business is not relying on a network of voluntary servers and bandwidth constraints either) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This issue comes to mind again as I read a post by Mark Shuttleworth about release coordination across the global OSS community. He is looking at the problem from a different perspective, one where they (Ubuntu) build a distribution that changes with the various new releases of included programs, and in many cases needs to be planned around the release schedules of those projects. It would help his team to be able to plan their project release around the release schedules of the various included projects. It would help my team for all of the major projects to see each other&#8217;s schedules and work to avoid release overlap. (sure, in big business you want to beat your competitors to the shelf, or at the very least release at the same time.. but big business is not relying on a network of voluntary servers and bandwidth constraints either) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tal</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-26194</link>
		<dc:creator>Tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 15:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I heard that there will be a 3D Desktop feature in the next version of Ubuntu, and that I will be able to move (literally) from one window application to another in the desktop 3D space (the mouse will function as a small spaceship in space traveling to the application icons for running FireFox for example).

I was wandering if there will be a feature of sharing the desktop with my friends in a 3D way. I mean that I will be traveling with the mouse from my desktop to my friends desktops and exploring and playing with theirs applications?
It will be like traveling in space but a virtual one.
Flying with my virtual spaceship mouse from one desktop to another, finding new softwares running in other computers,  meeting my friends with my  spaceship mouse, finding theirs spaceship mouse spaceship coming visit my desktop to play and so on.
The Desktop world will be the perfect virtual space of computers, connecting me with other people in the most abstract and intuitive way of traveling in virtual desktop space.

The next step will be creating virtual cities of desktops and there I will be able to put my virtual desktop in the street of one of the available virtual cities. after that I will be able to travel in that city in the most intuitive way, meeting new neighbors desktops, visiting my friends desktops in other cities, exploring this virtual universe.
When I will get tired I will sit in a bench in one of the virtual parks of those cities, meeting new people, talking and sharing pictures, asking how is the weather and how great it is living like that in 2012.

Don&#039;t you think it will be great that virtual will meet reality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I heard that there will be a 3D Desktop feature in the next version of Ubuntu, and that I will be able to move (literally) from one window application to another in the desktop 3D space (the mouse will function as a small spaceship in space traveling to the application icons for running FireFox for example).</p>
<p>I was wandering if there will be a feature of sharing the desktop with my friends in a 3D way. I mean that I will be traveling with the mouse from my desktop to my friends desktops and exploring and playing with theirs applications?<br />
It will be like traveling in space but a virtual one.<br />
Flying with my virtual spaceship mouse from one desktop to another, finding new softwares running in other computers,  meeting my friends with my  spaceship mouse, finding theirs spaceship mouse spaceship coming visit my desktop to play and so on.<br />
The Desktop world will be the perfect virtual space of computers, connecting me with other people in the most abstract and intuitive way of traveling in virtual desktop space.</p>
<p>The next step will be creating virtual cities of desktops and there I will be able to put my virtual desktop in the street of one of the available virtual cities. after that I will be able to travel in that city in the most intuitive way, meeting new neighbors desktops, visiting my friends desktops in other cities, exploring this virtual universe.<br />
When I will get tired I will sit in a bench in one of the virtual parks of those cities, meeting new people, talking and sharing pictures, asking how is the weather and how great it is living like that in 2012.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think it will be great that virtual will meet reality?</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2007-01-03 at rejon.org</title>
		<link>http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/74/comment-page-1#comment-25977</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2007-01-03 at rejon.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 00:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mark Shuttleworth » Blog Archive » #4: Plan, execute, DELIVER Good post on launchpad and what its about&#8230; (tags: launchpad linux ubunti shuttleworth) [...]</description>
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